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1905 IHC 3hp Vertical - Looking for Ideas and Advice


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Old 05-25-2014, 12:18:52 AM
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Default 1905 IHC 3hp Vertical - Looking for Ideas and Advice

I recently acquired a 1905 IHC 3 HP Vertical gas engine. I want to put it on a cart and purchased the parts for the IHC Famous 2 & 3 HP cart from Cattail Foundry. John Wanat has the tall thermal-siphon water tank which I will also be adding. I have read all the posts I could find on Smokstak about this engine and looked for photos on the internet showing this type engine. So far, I have not found one mounted on a cart with the external gas tank which is required on these engines since it is not in the engine base like on the later verticals. I would like to have a battery box on one end of the cart like on the later Famous and Victor uprights. So where should one put a gas tank? One idea is to extend the cart and place one between the engine and the battery box. If I did this, what style tank would look best? Another idea is to fabricate a gas tank that mounts under the cart between the skids. Has anyone tried either design? If so, would love to see photos of the setup.

My other idea is to add a Motsinger Auto Sparker to the engine. I know that later engines were sometimes equipped with these and IHC made brackets for them. Has anyone tried adding one to an early Vertical like this one? Will the later brackets work? Is anyone reproducing these brackets? Would love advice on approaching this idea!

My engine is all original yet and I am planning to leave it as is. Needs some grease removed yet but still has some original finish. It appears that the engine was red with a very dark green (almost black) lower base and flywheels. It has gold vertical pin striping on the cylinders and also on the spokes of the flywheel and around the edge of the inspection cover. The original decal is pretty much gone but can still make out the outline of the letters. Here are a few photos...







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Here are a few more photos of the engine...



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Default Re: 1905 IHC 3HP Vertical - Looking for ideas and advice...

Hello

Just a suggestion for the fuel tank. Put it up inside the base, but make the tank small enough so that you can arrange the pipes to come out the bottom of the tank and up between the wood runners. This preserves the engine base so that you don't need to drill holes in it and you end up with an original looking cart that doesn't get so big as to make it hard to handle.

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Beautiful engine. I am curious as to what the E in the serial number means.
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Very nice example of an original. I second LeRoy's idea for a gas tank, but I'm not sure how you'd fill it.
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here are a couple pics of my 2 horse, & one of my 3 horse. skip
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Craig here is a picture of my buddies 1906 Victor engine. I believe the fuel tank is the same tank the engine was plumed to when it was in use. Hope this helps. Man I got to say again that's a beautiful engine.
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Default Re: 1905 IHC 3HP Vertical - Looking for ideas and advice...

That "E" might indicate that maybe an Autosparker or Remy was originally used to power the ignitor?

My 4HP Famous has this "E" and was originally run with a Remy generator. And here's another Famous Autosparker engine with an "E". http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120028

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Default Re: 1905 IHC 3HP Vertical - Looking for ideas and advice...

Craig, nice engine! We stopped at John Wanat's place a few week's ago and he had a similar engine mounted on a cart with a gas tank mounted underneath the skids / between the rails. I didn't grab any pictures, but you might want to reach out to him. It looked like a very nice setup!!!
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Default Re: 1905 IHC 3HP Vertical - Looking for ideas and advice...

Preston Wells raised a good question at to what the "E" stood for in the serial number. Harry speculated that an Autosparker or Remy might have been used to power the ignitor. I read in another post that someone wondered if it meant "Export."

The prefixes used on IHC engines are well documented. The "L" on mine meant it was a 3 HP Stationary Gasoline engine. But that document makes no mention of what the "E" meant.

Did these suffixes appear only on the early engines with brass tags or was it also put on the later engines with steel inspection plates bearing the serial number? Were there other letters besides "E" that were used? If so, this might give some clue as to their meaning.

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Default Re: 1905 IHC 3HP Vertical - Looking for ideas and advice...

I run in to a older man last year at Portland and he has a few international engine I ask him what the E stand for on them. He told me that international put that on the serial number for engines that they made all kind of stuff back in the 1900 hundred .
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My 1907 3hp Famous has an E below the serial number also. It has the number stamped on the crankcase cover.
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Default Re: 1905 IHC 3HP Vertical - Looking for ideas and advice...

I know this is an old thread, but been quite interesting reading about original Famous engines on here still!

Someone posed an interesting question about what the "E" suffix stands for, and asked if anyone had other suffixes on their engines. My 1905 6 HP Famous has a "G" suffix...I wonder if this meant "gas", as in hot tube ignition? It did have the studs on the side for an autosparker, but unfortunately the block was long gone, so don't know if was originally drilled for a hot tube.

Anyone have any ideas?

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Default Re: 1905 IHC 3HP Vertical - Looking for ideas and advice...

I have a 1908 10 horse famous with an "E" 879 serial#. It was a stationary engine on a sub bae. My understanding is that the "E" meant just that, non portable. Since your engine has no holes in the base for plumbing, it would sugest it was set up in a building with an external tank according to underwriters specs.
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I have a 2h.p. 1905 that has a "K" with the serial number.
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I have a 1908 10 horse famous with an "E" 879 serial#. It was a stationary engine on a sub bae. My understanding is that the "E" meant just that, non portable. Since your engine has no holes in the base for plumbing, it would sugest it was set up in a building with an external tank according to underwriters specs.
Skip, not sure if you're referring to another post, but SN on my 6 is J275G. It was a portable from the factory. I really like the looks of your early 2, and Tanner's early 2. Both gorgeous originals!

Were the heads originally painted another color than red? I'm going to be painting my 2 horse project, and plan to do green on the flywheels and base, so would like the head to be the "correct" color, also. (Not really wanting to get into green vs black!)

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Mike, My engine has the original paint fairly visible still and it has the green flywheels but the rest of it including the head is red.
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So, Craig I have done what you want to do by mounting a cylindrical tank to back side of battery box. There is just enough room between box and engine . Piping goes in top of tank after all is properly antiqued with supply line to pump out end of tank , make up mounting brackets, no need for large tank.
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ALora...this is an old thread and have already installed a tank. John Wanat made me a 3-gallon tank that fit between the skids and was the same height as the skids. He also has an early 3 HP IHC like mine so he put the fittings where they needed to be for easy hookup.

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That's one gorgeous original engine, Craig.
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