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1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy


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Old 01-14-2018, 04:01:47 PM
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Default 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

Hi Yall
I have an Economy 1.75hp model XK throttle governed stationary engine manufactured by Hercules in 1928. I need a bunch of things to make it right but to make it run I only need the carb assembly. Oh and I'm missing one of the governor weights. Need that to get it running too.

It's an XK so the carb assy has the two fuel control knobs. One for the small carb-attached gas chamber for starting and one for the kerosene in the larger fuel tank after it gets warmed up on gas.

I need the entire carb assembly from where it bolts onto the head. I have the throttle governor linkage rod already and I have the original fuel tank.

I would very much like to have a rebuilt ready to run assembly since I've never even seen one before.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance!
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

was one on ebay on head yeaterday for 1.5 but the same
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

searching ebay like a mad man but not finding it.
I could actually use the head since mine has been welded.
Thanks Mike
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

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There was one on E-bay on a head yesterday for a 1.5 but the same.
Mike, could you find it again and give us the item number? I saw several model E heads with mixers but nothing for an XK. The XK is a re-designed engine; parts from other models will not interchange.
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

That is exactly my weak area. Cross-referencing parts. I'm new at this.
Appreciate the help guys. I want to hear it run! It deserves to run again.
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:37:27 PM
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

A year or 2 ago there were 2-3,000 listings. Now there are 9,000. Finding it may take 6 hours.
Go to stationary engines at ending soonest and look . Maybe it says something stupid for a title. Like old engine parts like so many do. Maybe some one can help. I use to have one but it was in 300 tons strung all around. Have not seen it in 20 years.
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

Not sure about the HP but this looks exactly like my engine.
There is a great closeup of the carb about 20 seconds into the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OmldXIFHJg
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

I search ebay all the time for hercules stuff. Have not seen that particular mixer for sale recently. If i see one ill let you know! I have the same engine in the video, my head is even busted in the same spot, just as bad. Mine is not running still stuck, just got it last summer. Ill eventually get it going, I have a 3 hp herc im working on right now
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I have the PDF of the scanned owners manual which has a TON of great info on starting, tuning, repairing with blow apart diagrams of everything.

I tried uploading it here but it said "Your file of 1.52 MB bytes exceeds the forum's limit of 488.3 KB for this filetype.?
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that particular mixer
Is it properly called a mixer?
I was calling it a carburetor.

I'm kinda new at this flywheel stuff.
I love this engine. I want to make it run real bad. It wants to run. Intake hole sucks my hand up to it. Mag shocks the crap out of me (after I rebuilt it) and makes a nice blue hot spark in the ancient spark plug that was in the engine when I got it. Compression seems ok.

There was a club showing engines at our local county fair a couple of years ago. I spent several hours there marveling at the designs and accessories. I'm joining that club as soon as they send me the paperwork.

Just what I need. Another hobby.
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

Mixer carburetor is basically the same thing to me. Id say a mixer found on all hit n miss engines is a simpler design then a carburetor. A mixer has a needle vale and an air inlet, it mixes air with the gas, very simple. Id say a carburetor is found on most throttle governed engines. They have a few more parts, butterfly valve added on, gas float valve. some people call them all carbs and some call em mixers yours is a throttle governed engine. Mixer with a butterfly valve, it will have a start side needle valve and a gas bowl to pour gas in to to start. They used to run on kerosene, so they would start them on gas, then switch to the main gas tank to run after it was warmed up a bit. Now that you have one, and once you get it running, the diesease will begin. I call it Rustosis then you will have to keep getting engines to work on!!
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HAHA! LOL@Cody K
I already have the disease. I'm in love with this little engine. I almost paid $350 today for a cart on eBay. Had to hold myself back. Once I get it running. Then it's on.
I'm a gold prospector/miner and collect rusty old mining equipment. I restore 60's-70's Chevys. I've seen my share of rust.
The #1 thing that pulls me into this engine stuff is the simple but very effective ingenuity that went into these designs. And not a piece of plastic on the whole thing. Love it.
I can picture having property to clear and needing firewood and ordering an Economy engine and drag saw attachment out of the Sears Catalog. He'd be king of the world with something like that. You could do 2 weeks worth of work in less than a day and kerosene was $0.09/gal.
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need the carb assembly
Found the XK carb/mixer entire assembly. Having it shipped to me.

She may run yet!
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Thats a good deal, glad you found one! Sometimes the part searching can take a while. I have some engines I have had for over 9 years, still looking for parts. One Iv almost completed, one part left. Keep up the good work, post us some pics!!
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Update: Got the carb installed and tried to fire it today. The mag is hot and my first crank it popped one time real good and puffed some white smoke out the muffler. Then I dropped the crank handle and it broke in half when it hit the asphalt. I tried yanking the flywheels but couldn't get it to pop again. Gas was coming out the carb so I probably just flooded it. I'll find another crank handle and try again. Seemed like it wanted to run.
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Found a new crank handle on e-bray. Pricey but pretty cool.
Now I have to wait till it quits raining.
I have a feeling it's going to be tricky to get it running. First one of these old timers I've ever worked on.
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

Gus,,
careful with the crank !!!! we dont want to hear you lost some teeth or worse .

a well tuned engine will start with just flywheel pull , Its all about Technique not raw power ...
A motor that is to advanced will kick like a mule .

Hot water in the hopper will help make it start better as that helps with fuel vapors.

be safe , send pictures and updates
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good advice. I'll take it!!
Got a new crank.
Before I try to fire it again I'm going to check the exhaust valve open/close timing and spark timing. Once I'm sure those are right I'll try again and not open the gas mix valve so much this time. I understand 4 stroke motors. Compression, Fuel mix (close), and spark on time and it will run. I have compression and spark. Just need to get the timing dialed in and hope the carb/mixer will deliver something combustible. Thanks for the help.

---------- Post added at 05:48:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:46:30 PM ----------

and I'll take some pic next time I work on it and hopefully some video of it running to post on youtube.
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Default Re: 1928 Economy 1.75hp XK - Looking For Carb Assy

your going in the right direction , "even if your in kafornia " get your EPA permit before firing it up too....

in all welcome aboard the old iron addiction

JC
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LOL EPA can kiss my A$$.
My property is fenced and gated and I have the high ground.
They would need to get a permit before they come on my property. And I'm not issuing any permits.
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