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Old 04-17-2017, 05:10:49 PM
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Default International Model F Truck

I recently retrieved this truck from a barn clean out on a farm in mid-Missouri. From what I can tell it is a Model F. Where can I find the serial number and how do you date the truck. The original control rods for the magneto and carburetor are missing, does anyone have spares I could purchase? Also what type of carburetor is supposed to be on the truck.

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Default Re: International Model F Truck

A quick eyeballing of some old parts catalogs doesn't show any IH Fs---designations go A, B, C, D, jump to H and so forth...(I'm assuming that with a mag its hand crank teens-20s)...
What indicates it's IH, and what leads you to "F" model??
A rough idea of age, tonnage, etc might be helpful...
If nothing helpful turns up here, and if it's really an IH, you'll eventually want to also post on oldihc...
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Bud,

The truck has International stamped in the hood and International Harvester is still visible on the frame. The engine/radiator setup is the same or similar to the 8-16 tractors. It appears that the Model F was introduced in 1915 and lasted until about 1921.

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I just checked MY IH truck information and it stated the Model F was introduced in 1915 and was a 1 ton truck while the model H was a 3/4 ton truck.
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It looks like an F to me, but with the charts below, you can check the wheelbase along with front and rear tire sizes to figure out what model you have.

EDIT: With your truck having a flat dash, the gas tank under the seat and the three rear spring setup, it indicates it was built during the 1915 to 1919 production run. From 1920 through 1923, the gas tank was placed in the dash and the rear springs are the standard type layout with additional top overload helper springs.
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Roger,

Thanks for the information. Based on my measurements it is a Model F. The engine number is 13764 if this helps to date the truck.

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As far as what you need for a carburetor, it will depend on which intake manifold and governor system you have. The first photo shows the engine in my Shovel Nose that has the design with the carb mounted right on the block. This version was used on trucks with the gas tank mounted in the top of the dash. The second photo shows the version with the drop-down manifold that was used on trucks with the gas tank under the seat. I'm guessing yours is the one in the second photo. As far as linkages, contact me through STAK and I can take some photos and measurements so you can make the parts you need.
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I stand corrected---as only a couple of my period catalogs (supposedly failrly comprehensive as to mainlines) list it, I wonder if it was a relatively low-production model...
Parts co's often simply don't list parts that have little demand; stock that sits on the shelves doesn't show any profit...
On the other hand, it may've been so well built there was little call for repair parts!!!
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The serial number is stamped into the left front frame. I believe it is vertical. Mine ends in H even though its a model K. The spark and throttle rods consist of 1 rod and 2 tubes, Mine were rusted together. I got new ones from McMaster Carr. The inner rod is the spark. the diameter of the rod is 3/8 and the length is 53 3/8 inches. The next tube (throttle) is 1/2 tube. The outside tube holds the quadrant. It is 5/8 " tube. I dont know the wall thickness but they fit nicely inside each other.

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Hi,
I am joining in this thread as we have just had a truck donated to the museum with which I am associated in the outskirts of Sydney, Australia. I thought you might be interested in another 'barn find'.
Our truck has had its chassis shortened and the rear axle bolted direct to it with no rear springs. This makes it difficult to positively identify, but its engine number 27841 suggests 1918. It may be a model K.
It is right hand drive, with throttle cross shaft across the front as part of the conversion. There is no sign of any hand controls such as magneto advance or throttle. The fuel tank is mounted on the dash.
It had been modified into a crude tipper to haul cut stone from a quarry, and has two gearboxes in series, the second fixed in low gear. It has been fitted with rubber tyres, 20" truck type on front, and 20" Blitz wheels on the rear.
Every thing is free, and the brakes actually still work, the footbrake on one rear wheel, the handbrake on the other. It has an updraft carburettor. It is missing the water pump completely, and of course we have no original wheels. So the search is on for parts to enable it to be restored.
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With the fuel tank mounted in the cowl like that, it would make it a 1920 to 1923 version. 1919 was the last year of the flat wood dash with the fuel tank mounted under the seat. If you would post a few more photos, like the front axle/spring area and the engine, maybe posters here can give you a little more information on that truck.
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We have found its chassis number - it is 2015KL. Can this number be dated? The 'K' suggests model K, and 'L' long wheelbase version. Would this be correct?
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The Carburator Shop lists Holley carbs for the F. By year they are:
1915 4 202 F (1 ton) Holley H

1916 4 202 F (1 ton) Holley H

1916 4 202 F (1 ton) Holley HA

1916 4 202 H (3/4 ton) Holley HA

1917 4 202 F (1 ton) Holley HA

1917 4 202 F (1 ton) Holley K

1918 4 202 F (1 ton) Holley K
The one reference for the IHC H indicates that they H and F used the same carb.
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Sorry my picture doesn't show above. Photo bucket now wants $399. for third party access. Really?

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I know this thread has died, but I would like to add some comments.
The book, "100 Years of International Trucks" by Fred Crismon gives the dating of 1918 for a model K with the Chassis No 2015KL, and its engine number 27481 is also in 1918 according to several experts.
Now there is a significant conflict, being the dash mounted fuel tank and updraft carburettor. All I can say it is what it is. The more I delve into these trucks, the more anomalies there are.
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