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Old 08-09-2014, 11:44:28 AM
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I'm going to Ely Vermont show the 22-23 of August I have sadly found out this will be the last show. I'm not going to go into the reason I've only heard the reasons from one member as to why. Most of the reasons were you can't get the help from members of the club that operates the show. Same ole problem all organizations have is only a few do all the work have had same problem in fire dept. I belong too for 36 years. Weather we want to admit it or not the hobby is in trouble old members are passing away and I don't have the figures but I bet they are not being replaced with new enthusiast. I live 125 miles from the Ely show and can't go and help I don't have an answer but I know in my family only my grand daughter has an interest in going to shows with me she's 9 and hasn't discovered boys yet! I'm 61 years old and won't live long enough too not be able to find shows to go too but everyone we lose is gone and in years if they go one by one there will only none. Here in my town there used to be a nice showing 30 years ago that's where I saw my first engine and now only tractors come I'm only one that shows any engines and pumps. Actually the field days could care less if I come or not I go cause I like to show my collection. Well I hope I'm totally wrong on this thread and the shows and hobby is alive and well!


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Old 08-09-2014, 11:56:51 AM
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I think for people my age (16) it's hard for them to appreciate history. Also there's a lack of exposure of old iron to my generation. Where the old timers used this stuff when they were kids. One if the reasons I like this stuff is because I got taken to shows when I was little. (+love of history) At my local show A LOT of young people involved seems to me atleast. About 20 people skipped school to go to the swap meet this year. The only perk I can see for me here is there will be a lack of interest an this stuff will be cheap. But I still don't see that happening.
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Old 08-09-2014, 11:57:36 AM
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One thing that stands out to me in your post is you are "61 years and old and won't live long enough to....". I'm 59 and I'm living like I'm 20. Brother, give it heck as long as you have breath. If you can't find a show, start your own. The first may not go over big but the next will be better and the next better yet. If you can't take the bull by the horns then grab another piece of his anatomy.
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Old 08-09-2014, 01:41:55 PM
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Reed good point starting show on my own we have a car show in the park of my town and it gets bigger every year. I was thinking that an engine show could only be 1 day but if I started a show it would be end of me showing for a few weeks especially at show would be too much to do. I have shows here in VT, Mass NH I can go too I just see many shows struggling.

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Old 08-09-2014, 01:58:07 PM
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This topic has come up at numerous shows this year I had a chance to go to, there was a show in St Peters Mo that used to be a good one , gone now, urbanization took care of some of that , they got to be carnival oreinted and beer garden, flea market stuff, and then weather had a major impact to, Like Reed said live life to it,s fullest you can while you can, and that is from a man that has a not to good of future for health, at 57 in Jan. In a way some young guys might get really into it if prices dropped, but us older guys are going to suffer, but, it would keep more interested, Tim what would help your gen more to really get interested in old stuff, and getting greasy, hands on ,instead of you tube, maybe more younger guys can give their view points , to help your gen,s , remember guys we was young to, and a lot has changed since that time. I have a son and grandaughter , but some family issue,s are in place there, wont go into it, but Jr was taken to a lot of shows by Dad, almost inseaperable, thanks Dad, but after getting interested in girls, fishing, hunting, he too dont play with some of the old toys he has to play with. This year myself have been to only one club show, there was always a conflict of dates of where I had planned and wanted to go, or funeral, or something I didnt like about where the show was...I have noticed since 2009 when I started back up again from about 1985 time frame laspe, due to family issues with a daughter, that attnedances of spectators has dropped, Gate price? economy, youtube? fuel prices or ......
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Old 08-09-2014, 02:22:45 PM
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I'm 60, and I think in my remainder of my lifetime, I will see shows become predominately Briggs engines and riding lawn mowers. I've certainly seen this progression begin/happen at the Pawnee, OK show. I was in attendance at #1 in 1974, and have only missed one since. There used to be tons of steel wheels, cars, calliopes, do nothings that make noise and spin, even a guy that disco roller skated. I will note that we are lucky in still having a good lineup of steam, flywheels and rubber. I get real disappointed when I see a discussion about a Lawn Boy mower's age, but that's just me. That's all that most under thirty years old can remember or relate to. To most of that age group, if it has exposed flywheels its a steam engine, whether it has a spark plug or not. It's not part of their world. Once while demonstrating a Model T, an older gentleman, that I would have thought knew how to operate a T by his age, asked me, "What's that knob?" I told him that it was the choke. His thirtyish looking partner immediately asked, "What's a choke?" This was unbelievable to me, until I stepped back and thought.

Things will change. It's inevitable. That's why the dinosaurs died and people took over.

As I've said many times on this site, Hats off to the guys that have their own personal fireups! They need to try, and find, young people like Tim Colwell to invite.

Been through the startup of a couple of shows. Without outside funding it's a bitch. Ronnie, I also want to add (but hate to) that I'm glad that the show has chosen to shut down, and not become like a once popular TV show that drags on until it becomes a laughing stock. We have a club/show like that locally. It's sad.....ED
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I'm a relative newby to hit and miss engines. I'm 67 and have just the little detroit 2 cycle engine. Far as I know I'm the only one here in New Iberia,Louisiana that has one. When I worked for living most of the pumps I used were steam powered both turbine and double acting steam pumps. Some of them dated back to the early teens in the last century. So maybe that in part fueled my interest in gas engines. Regardless of wether steam or gas it's kinda neat to see something running that must be close to a hundred years old and you had a hand in getting it going. Frank
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I know that putting on a good show takes people and $ I think that tv u-tube cell phones all take a toll on young peoples interest. I admit I come here but I still do all my yard work and tinker on my rust projects.

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Old 08-09-2014, 08:55:34 PM
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I'm more worried about insurance choking off shows as our society becomes more litigious. I think you will see more private crank-ups to keep away the "townies" who don't know which end of a shovel to pick up let alone to keep their paws away from rotating machinery. The erosion of common sense is far more damaging than the lack of connection to actually using this stuff.
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Old 08-10-2014, 07:41:59 AM
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I don't really know what a private crank up is. I enjoy going to a show and let everyone look at what I have accomplished as far as restoration. just getting away from the crazy outside world .

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Old 08-10-2014, 08:37:02 AM
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A fire up/crank up/ gas up is just a party for your friends, or soon to be friends, that have a common interest in engines, tractors, or any other of our stuff. You drag your stuff out and in most cases, guests are invited to bring what they would like. They are usually exclusively engine related/ tractor related, or steam related, but some are equipment brand focused, and some are just a gathering of kindred spirits. International Harvester seems to be the most common theme. They are invitation only, but not that rigid of a thing, with invitees bringing other friends that are interested, but haven't been personally invited. They are usually annually. There usually a big honkin' meal, possibly a social hour, and a lot of camaraderie. They seem to be a product of the Midwest, but I know of two in Texas, and one over toward Kentucky. There are usually no townies, or civilians as I call them, unless they are neighbors or friends. This mostly eliminates the need for massive amounts of insurance. If you are familiar with racing, it is similar to a "field day".
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I think the way people are treated. Can also kill a show. I stopped by two when I was on the road. The way I was treated I should have kept on going.
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A lot of times I have heard "the younger generation just doesn't care about this stuff" I'm 31 now and have been hearing that ever since I started in the hobby when I was about 10. Majority of the time guys would tell me I was the only kid they knew that had an interest in this stuff.

It is true, there are a select few group of people, and this involves all ages, that have interest in old engines and tractors. However, there are still plenty of people, including people in their teens and 20's that would like to get involved. But in the past 15 years ever since the internet came about, prices of everything have skyrocketed from what they were. It's really hard for younger ones especially to get started. Most people cant afford to go out and spend thousands of dollars on hobby related stuff when they are making college payments, house payments, raising kids and just trying to live. When a hobby becomes more about money than the love of the hobby, that is what kills it for a lot of people, and that is what I have seen happen with this hobby.
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About shows i have seen some discutions that realy started to fire up people with different thinking against each other.

In the past we dit have went to an lot of shows.
Now we are not so focused on shows enymore.
I mean if you have something to show you can use Smokstak.
This does not give risk with transportation, blood, sweat and tears.
Sometimes there is on shows some butter head behavore with people under each other.

We also went with our tractors to plowing games.
It gives an lot front preporation and when you come home your hole tractor and plow is under the clay because these games are mostly in deep fall and gives an lot of work to clean it of.
Same with going to shows and mostly these shows are for us on the most busy time (harvesting) of year.
Sure sometimes we make an exeption but now its not enymore that we want to go to an show every year.
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I have a 1/2 scale Burrell engine. Big boys toy, and the granddaughters.
The other main reason is to get as many kids as possible on it. The youngest 3 1/2 ( the oldest 86 year old lady!)
This is to get them interested. The other day I stopped by a mother and boy of 6. I asked if he would like a ride and he was up alongside me before I knew it. He soon had the hang of steering. Another enthusiast, I hope.
In 6 shows this year about 30 kids. Most under 5 seem shy and wont but over that... Two shows to go this year before major work on valvegear.
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Over here there are so many weird weirdos, hey not us engine guys , the bad guys, that do nasty things to children, I have noticed that a lot of Mom,s and Dads give you a glance if you even talk to a kid, or be friendly to them now days too. So there is something to think about why kids, don't interact with people like we used to and lose out on stuff . Unless I look that bad LOL
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Just some more of my thoughts, I honestly cannot stand when people my age just say "why would you want to go there it's the same $#!+ every year" that just bothers me. They just don't understand the purpose of features. And that some of these early tractors are worth more their crappy house they live in. I have also have been treated very well. At one show they practically begged me to join. The main show I attend there's a lot of helpful and knowledgeable people and older members. Lastly at another show I was talking to an engineer and understood that I had an interest and invited me on to the platform. He then "showed me the ropes" first time I pulled the throttle on a traction engine. Never thought I'd be an AR universal! At one of the same shows the have a very old traction engine on display. I sitting with the owner he is older (75?) and discussing info on it since I had done allot of reseach on A&Ts and all of sudden some stupid city slicker kid jumps up and stats jerking the throtle and clutch, and steering wheel. I have this kid the worst look I could muster. Do some people not care about other peoples stuff and realize this stuff can be dangerous? thank god it was static. Fool. For me I just don't know what club to join there's 3 in my area there all in shortage of younger people I just couldn't betray the other shows tho.

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Another thing is the disturbing trend of moving things earlier and earlier in the week. Shows will start mid week and be done by saturday. Even a three day weekend show will often have sunday nearly dead anymore. Auctions are now on thursday and friday and swap meets start on tuesday and end on friday. It kills those of us with actual jobs because we have to take leave to go to auctions, take leave to go to shows. For younger folks starting familes, going to school or trying to establish themselves in a job, engines and tractors all too easily take a back seat when it comes to a few precious (if any) days of leave. Saw a famous and well respected show proudly advertising recently "never on sundays!" That means everyone packs up and leaves on saturday. To bring a family out means you have to take leave, and possibly pull the kids out of school to go on friday and still see anything.

Of course theres the snobs, the money, the information hoarders and jerks; but you have that in any hobby.
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Manning our club's exhibit at a country fair a couple of days this week. A couple of gentleman came in. They had each recently bought their first engines, a 1 1/2 -2 1/2 hp IHC LA & a 3 hp IHC M. They were neighbors. One was 79 years old and the other was 90. They stayed for a couple of hours gleaning information and joined our club. There may be hope yet!
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we have a great little show in Pinckneyville. several new younger people serve on the board and help put on the show. more and more tractors each year. about 40 to 50 gas engines. 7 to 10 steam engines. run out of parking places. city needs to help out more with improvement to city park ! expanded parking and more space for exhibits is needed. city wide yard sales draw a lot of people and the junk (beanie babys ,mc donalds toys and plastic stuff ect) is being eliminated from the shows flea market. to make way for rusty iron. it all the golf carts that upset a lot of peope I talk to. not enough room for tractors ,steam engines, trucks and trailers and people to move around safely. a great home feeling growing show. now if they could just get a break on the weather coming each year on one or two of the days. each year would be some record breaking figures of people. I take gas engines, vaneless windmills and hand and foot powered wood working tools. hey guys put one or two little somethings else on your trailer. give the people some thing new to view.
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