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I was going through my Grandfather's old photo album and saw this picture. Though he was from Ohio, he and his brothers went to Iowa for a time to work. I think that is what my Grandmother told me, but it's hard to remember everything as she told me so much about the old days. She died a little over a year ago at 111 years old. Anyway, I think this picture is from when they were in Iowa. Can anyone tell me what this tractor is? Sorry for the poor picture quality. It is very old.
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Looks like a early Nichols and Shepard gas tractor? maybe 22 hp or 36 hp?
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It is a very early version 35-70 N&S oil- gas tractor. The horizontal section radiator and light channel frame were only used a very short time. None of this version seems to have survived. Large 2 cyl engine with a steam type fly ball governor, produced around 90 hp at low rpm. They were designed primarily for plowing the vast prairies. I have a old photo of one on a sawmill , empty fuel barrels all around the site! Had one of those early carbs with the steel balls that lifted as the load increased. Very inefficient and used enormous amounts of fuel. One of the big reasons these units were parked.
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It is a very early version 35-70 N&S oil- gas tractor. The horizontal section radiator and light channel frame were only used a very short time. None of this version seems to have survived. Large 2 cyl engine with a steam type fly ball governor, produced around 90 hp at low rpm. They were designed primarily for plowing the vast prairies. I have a old photo of one on a sawmill , empty fuel barrels all around the site! Had one of those early carbs with the steel balls that lifted as the load increased. Very inefficient and used enormous amounts of fuel. One of the big reasons these units were parked.
Did all the early ones have full cabs on them?.The one in the picture looks like they took some of the cab apart for better viewing
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The only photo I've seen of one without a cab was of the prototype during field trials. I agree that in the above, they've removed a few panels for visibility or ventilation. Like the early Hart Parrs, the channel iron frame was too light and would bend and twist under load and soon failed. The later versions in all sizes had a heavier plate steel frame, those were a much better foundation and kept the gearing in better alignment and less wear. It's really a shame that more of these didn't survive, when in good repair, they were quite the brute for power. I did for a while have the remains of one of the 3 that survive, hopefully at some point it will be reconstructed into a working tractor again.
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Thanks for the replies. That photo must have been taken somewhere in the 20's, because he was out there before he got married in the 30's. When you say that tractor was one of the earlier ones, what years would that be?
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When you say that tractor was one of the earlier ones, what years would that be?
The Early teens
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N&S built the prototype in 1911. They sporadically built the various versions till around 25, after that they offered a rebadged Lauson product till the merger with Oliver in 1930. N&S's big contribution to the merger was the combines and a corn picker and the factories, no tractors as Oliver and Hart Parr had that covered. The Great Depression and the Dry 30s was in full force out on the farm till the outbreak of WWII, any new purchases of modern tractors was put off till after that. Most early tractors that farmers had were in use far past their original expected life. So it is very likely that this one was still working well into the 30s. Also these N&S tractors were very popular in the Red River Valley of the North area. I think all surviving ones did come from that part of the country. There were a few odd ones in the lower Midwest, but not many. There was rumors of one in the local area that disappeared during the scrap drives of WWII.
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Now to figure out what make of engine gang plow it is pulling behind it?.John Deere,Cockshutt or P&O (Parlin & Orendorff)?.Maybe a Rumely or Avery? Case-Sattley? Rock Island? could it be a Oliver?
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When the cab panels where removed, they soon discovered the roof needed the panels for bracing but some good ole wire did the trick. Those 360 degree crankshaft engines tend to make things shake.

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N&S built the prototype in 1911. They sporadically built the various versions till around 25, after that they offered a rebadged Lauson product till the merger with Oliver in 1930. N&S's big contribution to the merger was the combines and a corn picker and the factories, no tractors as Oliver and Hart Parr had that covered. The Great Depression and the Dry 30s was in full force out on the farm till the outbreak of WWII, any new purchases of modern tractors was put off till after that. Most early tractors that farmers had were in use far past their original expected life. So it is very likely that this one was still working well into the 30s. Also these N&S tractors were very popular in the Red River Valley of the North area. I think all surviving ones did come from that part of the country. There were a few odd ones in the lower Midwest, but not many. There was rumors of one in the local area that disappeared during the scrap drives of WWII.
Can you share this old photo? That would be cool to see!

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I'm a bit technically challenged but if you Google Early Nichols & Sheppard photos , you will get many pictures of them and a few of the prototype. Also there were a good bunch of photos in the Willard libaray collection, but I'm hav ing trouble finding them just now. Also try google under- Nichols & sheppard collection by James Hawthorne. Also check other threads here on site relating to N&S Gas tractors.

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