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Old 11-19-2012, 07:44:38 PM
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I acquired this engine over the weekend, there is no tag on it, and looks like a Waterloo Boy. I had to disassemble it to get it out of where it was, so I apologize for no pics of the engine assembled. When I first saw it, I thought it to be about a 4hp Waterloo Boy, after looking it over I'm not too sure.I looked at several different Waterloo's online, and there seems to be some differing characteristic's, such as the flywheels, on mine, the counter weight seems different, I couldn't find any other Waterloo's that had the flywheels drilled to balance them. The flywheels are 25" in diameter, and are very heavy. It has a pulley mounted right to the flywheel, like Hercules mounted there's, another feature I couldn't find on Waterloo engines. The governor weights look different too, there rounded, rather than square. The water hopper has very straight squared sides, with the fill hole offset. unlike the Waterloo engines that have it more centered. The crank guard is different too, it's very narrow. The last thing is the paint, it clearly has some original red paint, I thought Waterloo Boy engines were green. It has a Lunkemheimer mixer, and has a 5" bore, and has a Webster and ignitor ignition. Hopefully someone out there can clear things up for me, and tell me what model Waterloo boy it is, that is if it is one, and maybe some idea on year. I hope to get it together over the next few days and I'll post more pics, I thank you for any help you can offer.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:48:10 PM
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:12:05 PM
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Default Re: Waterloo Boy ????

It certainly has the Waterloo boy traits. It resembles my John M. Smythe. It was red and the gov. weights resemble it. Mine has a tin water hopper cover and is not cast together in the hopper. Everything else looks like John M. Smythe but, they made so many contract engines. Mine, was red, also, so, yours could be a late or early Smythe. Hopefully others will have a better comparison.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:36:06 PM
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Looks like a very nice winter project!!! Be sure and post pictures when you get it all done!!
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:04:21 PM
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What's the Webster bracket #?
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:21:32 PM
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Doug,

The number is 303K8 which I believe relates back to Waterloo, but I don't know which model, or year?

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That mag bracket would definitely make it a Waterloo built engine. Check the end of the crankshaft on the mag side there should be a serial number stamped there.
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John,

I checked that earlier, I saw no serial number, and it's not heavily rusted either. Thanks for your input, do you have anything to add?

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Have any of you seen flywheels like this on other Waterloo Boy engines??
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It looks like (not being scientific here) a Waterloo built Sparta Economy rip off.

I think you will just have to settle for its a Waterloo built engine, there are way too many contract and re-tagged engines to figure out and say accurately what it was/who sold it. Very nice engine anyway being just a little bit different, looks to be in nice condition too.

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Old 11-20-2012, 06:57:24 AM
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Only the genuine "Waterloo Boy" had a fly-ball governor. The contract engines had the weights in the flywheel. The number on the end of the crank-shaft can be VERY difficult to see or make out. Try different lighting and angles to see the numbers. The older Waterloo Boys had a one piece hopper. Later on, they learned it was easier to cast the lid seperate.
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Here is a couple pics of my 1914 6hp Waterloo Boy, maybe you can see something here, I'll get a better pic of the governors for you.

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I got these pics.....maybe they will help.

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Default Re: Waterloo Boy?

The Waterloo Economy was one of the very few contract engines that used the Waterloo Boy style governor, I think that's probably what it is. It's a '12 or newer model. I have brushed muriatic acid on weak numbers, sometimes the number will appear after a couple weeks. Older Waterloo Boys were red, but I think a "Boy" model that age would have the Wiltry (sp?) mixer.

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Just to throw another wrench in the works...Sears sold Waterloo built Economy engines in late 2008 and early 2009 from what I have heard. They were replaced with the Sparta Model A in mid to late 1909. All I have seen had the Witry Mixer. The water fill neck was also centered in the hopper not the front like yours. I have also never seen flywheels on a Waterloo Economy with the bosses on them for a pulley. Economy did not put bosses on the flywheels until their 1914 Model D engines. Has anyone else seen an actual Waterloo with bosses on the flywheels? All the ones I have seen have the pulley mounted on the crankshaft. I would say it is to late too be a Wateloo Economy but that is just an opinion. Definitely a neat engine though.

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When I first saw the engine I thought it was a Waterloo built Economy, the fuel system could have been replaced with the Lunkenheimer, could it not? I'm now working on putting together some skids so I can re-assemble the engine, and I noticed, there are no casting numbers anywhere! Is this common on Waterloo Boy engines? The one thing that really puzzles me is the flywheels, I have looked online, through all the Alan King advertising books, the BIG yellow book, and every other engine related book I have, and I can't find any Waterloo engines with this style flywheel! All the ones I have found, have the counter weight cast as part of the flywheel, none of them were completely smooth all the way around the inner part of the rim. And of course none of them have provisions for the pulley to be mounted to the flywheel like mine, also, these provisions were only made on one flywheel, not on both as Hercules did. I still can't see a serial number, but when I get the wheels back on the frame it will be easier to inspect further.
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HI Henry,

Does the governor side flywheel have a crank or provision for a crank in the rim? It looks like it might in one of your pictures. The flywheels also look much heavier that a standard Waterloo flywheel. What are the diameter and width measurements?

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The flywheels have a diameter of 26" the rim is 2.5" wide, and there is a provision for a crank handle in the flywheel rim. And they are VERY heavy, it may be a higher horse power engine than I first thought? Another differing feature from Waterloo engines is, there's a stud and spring between the valves, and a latch to hold the intake open while coasting, just like an Economy, and Hercules.
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Maybe a prototype Economy??? The Early Sparta A models looked alot like a Waterloo. Maybe someone else has an idea.
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I got the base back on the cart and set the flywheels on, which gave me a better chance to inspect the crankshaft end for a serial number, and if there was one there I don't see it. No sign of any numbers at all, I even checked the other side, and there was nothing there either. So I guess I'm back to square one, Tomorrow I'll post some additional pictures.
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I was going to post some pictures of the engine together, but I keep getting a "upload failed" message, an explanation as to WHY would be nice, but I guess that's expecting too much! Looks like this thread has run it's course then, thanks to all who offered there opinions.
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