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Old 11-22-2012, 01:52:12 AM
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It may have to be resized,or maybe they were posted before.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:00:50 AM
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I'm not too computer savvy, how would I "re-size" them?? I believe that is the problem, I got a new camera (dropped the old one in the shop) I posted a picture on facebook, just to see if it would work and it did, I think the pics are bigger than the 2mb?? allowed
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Not a Waterloo expert by any means but the adjustment for the exhaust is the same as Waterloo tagged engines, the two holes on an angle below the exhaust rod is Waterloo style also seen on contract engines.. I wouldn't say I've seen lots of the flyball governors on contract engines but enough that I don't consider it uncommon. Don't know about the size but any chance the flywheels and crank might have been changed years ago??? John
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Take a look at this article on Waterloo Economy engines. http://www.herculesengines.com/hercu...ws/2004-03.pdf
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Keith Makes sense I didn't realize they had the hercules style flywheels on them. John
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:04:26 PM
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Thank you Keith for the additional information, and John, I don't believe the flywheels were changed, I of course can't say for certain though.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:51:24 PM
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Hope this works
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:01:13 AM
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A few more views I was able to get to load
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:43:13 PM
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I finished up the two engines that were ahead of this one today, so I began to take this Waterloo, or whatever it is apart to do the valves and replace the rings. When I removed the head I notice that there's no holes to allow water into the intake or exhaust areas, even within the water cavity of the head it's blocked. Maybe this isn't unusual to any of of you, but to me it looks odd. Does anyone know if this is consistent with how Waterloo Boy heads look? The bore looks good, and I have everything I need to put it back together, so it won't be long before she's running again. As you can see in the pic, the piston and rod are 25" long, just thought I'd add a pic of that. I just wish I knew for certain what make it is?
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Here she is all back together, with new rings, valve job, mag charged and ignitor gone through. The only thing left to make it run is to plumb up the fuel tank. I'd still like to know who the manufacturer is??????
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So how did you find it Henry?
Apparently you figured out the picture resizing problem. I put a link on my "Welding Cast Iron Emerson Brantingham Head" thread of a picture resizing website with short video tutorial that helped me with it. Sorry I can't remember what it was called, but it's there if you need it.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:55:20 AM
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I found it listed on craigslist, the fellow I got it from had just bought a duplex house, and this was in the carriage shed, he had no idea what it was, he had it listed as a steam engine, which is common. The house is in downtown Hartford! I never got an engine from a house in the city, who would have thought.
As for the picture sizing, the program that Mike O helped me with worked great.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:00:35 PM
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Henry,,the more I look at your engine I believe the Hopper & Flywheels/Crankshaft are from another engine possibly a Neward or KC Faultless because the flywheel size is a match with a 4 1/2 hp KC engine, as far as the hopper Waterloo Economy's were one piece and Sparta never made a hopper like that as well,from the pictures the hopper and flywheels don't have the same color to them as the block,I do believe the block is an early contract Waterloo (1908) or a Waterloo Boy, I hope you get it running soon,it's still a nice engine!
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Jim,

I respect your opinion, however I don't agree with your opinion about the flywheels coming from another engine. These are in my opinion, original to this engine, and the paint and patina match as well.The engine is a puzzle to me, and from reading the responses here,it's a puzzle to other's also. I can't help but wonder if it's some sort of prototype? The absence of casting numbers is unusual, another odd feature is, all the fasteners are hand made, and not standard thread. In the cleaning process I discovered that all the nuts and bolts match each other, and are not interchangeable. I'm not sure who the built this engine, for all I know it's a one of a kind, there's one phrase that shouldn't be used in talk about antique engines, and that phrase is, "they never built anything like that" I have used that phrase before, only to be proved wrong.I will have this engine running this weekend, if I have the time to set up the fuel system, I will ATTEMPT to upload a video, if I can figure out how?
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:54:33 PM
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... there's one phrase that shouldn't be used in talk about antique engines, and that phrase is, "they never built anything like that" I have used that phrase before, only to be proved wrong.
I gotta agree with you there Henry. Manufacturers were only concerned with ONE thing. Getting a product out the door to make some money.
They sure weren't concerned with "originality or continuity of production.

You BOTH could be right. It could flywheels from another engine... that they sourced for this engine when it was brand new! Maybe a prototype, using another manufactureres flywheels, or a copy thereof.

I agree it's strange there's no numbers. I wonder who else has engines with no numbers? Other than the homebuilts, one wouldn't thing there would be too many.
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FWIW, I don't think any of my Waterloo's have part numbers.
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That may be true, I've owned a few of them in my time, but never really checked, so I can't say with any degree of certainty either way. That aside, if the flywheels were from another engine, as it's been suggested, which I disagree with, wouldn't they have casting numbers on them?? I don't know if it's a Waterloo Boy, or a Waterloo contract engine, it certainly bears some similarities.The reason I have brought up the possibilities of it being a prototype is, the major differences in how the hopper is constructed, the unique flywheels, and the fact that all the fasteners are not standard, they are matched to each other and hand made, for example, the bolts that hold the governor bracket on are 1/2"-12, and not the standard 1/2-13. The head mount studs, and bearing cap studs are 5/8"-12, and not the standard 5/8"-11. And that goes for each and every fastener right down to the two bolts that hold the crankguard on, which are 3/8"-14, and not the standard 3/8"-16. I very well could be wrong in thinking it's a prototype, however I haven't seen any strong evidence to sway my thinking. I never gave much thought about where I found the engine until asked about it earlier, but that might be a clue, I found it in the city of Hartford, maybe that doesn't really mean anything, but isn't it unusual to find one in a city?
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I wouldn't necessarily say it's "unusual" to find one in a city.
We must remember that there were also uses for engines in the city.
But even more, we must remember that in the last 100 years, that city has likely grown and surrounded various farms that would have had LOTS of uses for engines.
As far as the funny bolt threads go, weren't lot of older engines using funny sizes? I'm not real sharp on my standard "threads per inch" , but I remember reading here about the subject and guys looking for taps and dies to service the odd threads on some old engines.
Whatever it is, it's a good conversation piece. Nice you rescued it rather than the guy scrapping it out or something.
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I've read this thread and find it interesting.
I'm going to throw this thought on the nuts and bolts.
I had read about an engine that was Canadian built restored using newer US fasteners which caused the engine to fail.
I didn't know about the difference between Canadian and US thread types at one time. Until I had read that article.
So having said that could these nuts and bolts be from up across the line?
I have read that quite a few engine companies had assembly plants in Canada..,to get around import duties and taxes.
Just a thought
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Henry,
It is also very similar to these Galloway's I found videos of. I had them as I was looking to identify a similar engine I had see pictures of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h6MdljOToI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGPjT4Mpt90
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