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Schleicher Schumm & Co 2 HP Sn. 1102


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Old 03-17-2015, 06:26:13 PM
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Default Schleicher Schumm & Co 2 HP Sn. 1102

No it doesn't exist anymore.....
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It was the original engine installed in the Blake machine shop in Boston in 1882. As many of you know, it ran for several years and was replaced by a later model pendulum governor four HP engine (SN 2907), now on display at Kinzers PA.
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See the two photos below. The top one was an original photograph taken (pre 1887) of the original engine, SN 1102. This photo was in the Smithsonian Institution and used for a small historical engine pamphlet produced by the Owls Head Transportation Museum 29 years ago. Unfortunately neither Museum is able to get their hands on this photo. The lower photo was used in the late John Wilcox Bores & Strokes Coolspring publication Three Idle Strokes Vol 5 in 1992. The location of the original photo used for for this publication is unknown as well. I assume it was or is still located in archives of the Smithsonian Institution however the staff there is so cut back they are of very little help anymore when doing research.
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My reason for hunting down these photos are that it sheds a rare light on an original engine installation from the earliest days of the IC engine. I would sure love to hear from a reader that knows where the originals are or a good quality copy.
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Wayne,

I think these two photos are taken in the exact same location. Notice the three lathe chucks hanging on the wall near the left edge of the lower photo, and other things in the background that are identical, e.g. gas piping, wrenches, etc. Also, the wall boards are lying horizontal in both photos. They appear a little wider in the lower photo, but that could be because the camera was closer in the lower photo. What are the chances that two different machine shops in different locations would have tooling hanging on the walls in the same fashion and have the gas piping set up exactly the same?

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The second photo is just an enlargement of the first photo, I believe.
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The were both taken of engine SN 1102 at Blakes shop between 1882-1887 They are different photos taken from different angles - you can tell this by looking at the mechanical cylinder oil in relation to the verticle pipe on the wall behind it, also by the angle of the flywheel spokes.
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The angles of the jaws of two of lathe chucks on the wall are different also, so the two pictures were likely not taken at the same time. Bottom photo also has more pronounced shadows. White box (not sure what it is) just under the bladders is not in the second photo. The tools in the board behind the engine are not the same.

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Wayne,

My apologies for taking this thread in the wrong direction. I misunderstood what you meant in your original post when you wrote that you didn't know the location of the second photo. I took that to mean that you didn't know where the photo was taken. I understand now that what you meant was that you didn't know the whereabouts of the original photos. It's hell to get old.

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