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Old 04-26-2010, 07:19:32 PM
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Default Hot riveting work for locomotive

Here is a interesting link site of hot riveting reconstruction for steam locomotive 3265. I don't know if you have seen this.
Dial up beware you will be disappointed to download this.

http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/coll...ocomotive_3265
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I'm curious, the device used to heat the rivets, is that electrical resistance they are using to heat them? Interesting video, thanks for sharing.

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Default Re: Hot riveting work for locomotive

Yes, that is resistance heating. You usually see a piece of equipment like that used to resistance or "spot" weld sheet metal panels. Looks like it is doing a good job though. I can't figure out why the heating guy is throwing the hot rivets on the ground. Looks like it would be easier for the guy in the gray overalls to just walk over and get it from the heater.
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Default Re: Hot riveting work for locomotive

When we did the riveting on my buddies Case along the bottom it went pretty good the resistance heating takes to long as i can see. Propane is faster and you can heat more than just one. When you get into it can go pretty fast we did 40+ rivets in a good day.
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Hi Guys,
A few years back the wife and I helped out at a boiler works. I was cooking the rivets, in a gas muff, she worked the cradle to turn the boiler, and the Father and son fitted them with an air squeezer. Fitting motion brackets to a portable boiler 30 rivets just under an hour !!!

And they said they would all starve if I worked for them cooking full time !!!
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Now, just think of having to hand pien all those rivets!

AND think of the term, "Deaf as a boilermaker".

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HI When puting 220 mud ring rivets 15/16 dia x5 1/2 grip about 7 1/2" long ol. It took about 1 1/2 days. Heat was propane. DO NOT use a torch to heat boiler rivets. You must sock then even and not get decarb. bob
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Default Re: Hot riveting work for locomotive

Hi

When we riveted our chassis for the Praga, we used an acetylene torch to heat them and the same pneumatic hammers as they are using. The quickest way to heat them is probably and old forge. When were going to do the next riviting job we'll try that.
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Default Re: Hot riveting work for locomotive

We have done some hot rivet work at our museum here in Wichita. We used a propane heat source and an old forge with firebricks for our furnace. Not as big as those in the video but much the same in heating, bucking and driving. We were rebuilding steps for a caboose in our collection. Great video showing the process. Never had thought about using a spot welder to heat rivits but it looks like it works.
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Default Re: Hot riveting work for locomotive

Wonder what the ol' meter looked like when they set that rivet inbetween and started the arc????

Way back in the day when I was pretty young, my grandfather riveted a front flue-sheet into our old 25/85 SSG Nick. My mom ran the forge and set the rivets and I ran the bucker. Gramps, since I was pretty light in the hind-end then, riveted all of the 7/8" diameter rivets.

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Default Re: Hot riveting work for locomotive

Very interesting video! The distance they're throwing the rivets isn't quite as far as I saw on a video documenting the steam railroading opeartions in Zimbabwe as of about 10 years ago. In the shop tour portion of the video, I'd swear they're throwing hot rivets nearly 100 yards or so from the forge to the locomotive they were rebuilding - just think of what OSHA would say to that here today!
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Just a few years ago,maybe 10/15, they still riveted bridges. The distance they threw the rivets was amazing!!----------------TWD
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Default Re: Hot riveting work for locomotive

Bump this thread again. For those of you might missed this thread. It demonstrated how they use the hot riveting jointing together. Red hot work!
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Hi Team,
I believe the rivets would be thrown into the catch plate/ground to jar any remaining slag from the shank and under side of the head, also it is one less time delay as seen in the final transfer of the rivet from the picker up to the reciever in the tender.
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We have a proper rivet heater. It has three sets of jaws to be heating three rivets at the same time, and can heat a 7/8" rivet from the inside out in about 15 seconds to where you can grab it in the middle and it will wiggle like a hot dog. With a four man crew, we have driven sixty 7/8" mud ring rivets in one hour. Then we were ready for a break!


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We have a smaller gas-fired furnace that we built. Very handy to take with us on field jobs... especially out of the country. Here are a couple of pictures from my trip last week to Switzerland.





There's more pictures at http://projects.wrrc.us/?p=599
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Default Re: Hot riveting work for locomotive

I surf the youtube videos " Hot riveting steam locomotive"

Here are few demonstrations. I am sure they have a little different way of heating rivets. There are more videos I found. Will post more soon.





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