Antique Engines and Old Iron
[Home] - [HELP] - [Forums] - [Library] - [Photo Gallery] - [Groups] - [Classified Ads] - [Subscribe] - [Links] - [Books] - [Sponsors] -

Go Back   SmokStak > SmokStak® Antique Engine Community > Small Air Cooled Gasoline Engines > Wisconsin Engines
Forgot Password? Join Us!


Wisconsin Engines Single cylinder up to V4 engines.

Wisconsin Engines

Wisconsin Engine

this thread has 25 replies and has been viewed 1358 times

Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-04-2018, 02:30:57 PM
63dave 63dave is offline
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Freedom, Wisconsin
Posts: 10
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Wisconsin Engine

I am new to this website. Picked up a 19?? Wisconsin engine can't get running. 30 psi compression. took head off everything looks great. i believe it is a AKS or AKN it has a aluminium head. is there anyone in the Appleton Wisconsin area that can help me with this engine?

it seems to have great spark, it has a magneto ignition.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 12-04-2018, 03:55:28 PM
Andrew Mackey Andrew Mackey is offline
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Rockaway, New Jersey USA
Posts: 13,580
Thanks: 1,926
Thanked 6,293 Times in 4,065 Posts
Exclamation Re: wisconsin engine

Are you using an electric starter or rope start? if rope start, you need at least 10 compression strokes to get a close value. if electric, 5 or more should do it. All compression tests need to be done with throttle wide open. After initial test, add 2 tablespoons of SAE 30 oil to the combustion chamber and re-test. if the pressure comes up significantly, you wil need to dis-assemble and have a look at the rings. They may be worn or stuck. A minimum compression value should be in the area of 65 to 70 PSI. 30 is too low in my opinion.

if you have the required number of strokes, and still only come up with 30, you need to do a leakdown test and see where the compression is going. You need to place the engine at TDC Compression and introduce at least 80 PSI into the combustion chamber. The best way to do that is to either buy or make an adapter to fit in the spark plug hole. (a cleaned out spark plug shell with a quick coupler installed in it) Then you listen to the intake, exhaust and crankcase to see where the air is escaping. if exhaust or intake, then you obviously need valve work. If air is getting into the crankcase, then again, you need to get inside and have a look at the piston and ring condition.

If you have the 65 + compression, I would look to carburetion and timing. if the points are set correctly, and spark timing is correct, that only leaves fuel. If the magneto has a retarder, it should trip at TDC compression. If none, about 20 degrees in advance of TDC Compression should do it. As for fuel - you need to make sure the float level is set correctly (seam on float parallel with fuel bowl mount face) There should be no debris in the fuel bowl, and the jets must be clear of any obstruction. To start, main jet (high speed) 11/2 turns out from lightly seated, idle mixture needle set at 1 turn out. These are start points. Your actual settings may be as much as a quarter turn in to a full turn out from initial setting. Set mixtures for best running, if the engine is 'idled'. if this engine is to work, set for best running at both idle and high speed, then back out high speed (Main) jet 1/8th turn rich. Alternative setting - set engine at high speed. Back out high speed needle until engine begins to mis-fire or engine produces black smoke from exhaust. Turn in needle until either smoke or misfire just clears up.
Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 05:01:30 PM
63dave 63dave is offline
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Freedom, Wisconsin
Posts: 10
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: wisconsin engine

thanks Andrew I will be checking compression with throttle wide open . I have never worked on these engines . when I had the head off I did rotate flywheel and the igniter for ignition did fire off when piston was at TDC from what I saw. the piston sleeve seems to look fine and there was no sign of carbon when I pulled off the head.yes it has a rope start but i get no sign of pop off when I pull it over. it seems the faster I pull the rope the less the igniter for ignition pops off ?
Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 06:36:03 PM
Heins Heins is offline
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Kit Carson, Colorado, USA
Posts: 1,947
Thanks: 321
Thanked 1,159 Times in 629 Posts
Default Re: wisconsin engine

Why don't you try this, can you see the key way in the out put shaft? Take the spark plug out and rotate the engine slowly by hand and see if the mag impulses (click) when the keyway is up or just past up. Does the mag click? If it does, take the spark plug, put the spark plug wire on it, ground the base of the plug to the fins on the head, and rotate the engine by hand until it clicks. Does the plug fire?
Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 08:43:39 PM
radiodoc radiodoc is offline
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Dierks, Arkansas, USA
Posts: 178
Thanks: 97
Thanked 118 Times in 66 Posts
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine

Since it is not seized and has some compression, I would put a teaspoon of gas in the spark plug hole, put the plug back in and give her crank and see what happens (Briggs used to call that priming the engine)...of course that is just me and sometimes I just fall off into a black hole.
Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 10:08:28 PM
Greg Mosley Greg Mosley is offline
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 350
Thanks: 312
Thanked 294 Times in 150 Posts
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine

Greetings 63Dave, The norm is usually 60 psi minimum. Put a teaspoon of motor oil in the cylinder. This will temporarily raise the compression. After it runs a while it will probably be OK. Enjoy your Wissy, Good Luck
Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2018, 03:01:46 PM
Craig A's Avatar
Craig A Craig A is offline
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 15,377
Thanks: 16,319
Thanked 20,317 Times in 5,910 Posts
Images: 18
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine

Welcome to STAK Dave.......
I moved your question to THE engine forum.
Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2018, 06:36:42 AM
Phil P Phil P is offline
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Okeechobee, Florida, USA
Posts: 1,039
Thanks: 1
Thanked 634 Times in 316 Posts
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine


Both radiodoc and Greg Mosley have very good recommendations.

I have many years working on those engine and many summers training from Wisconsin back in the 60ís.

Phil P
Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2018, 08:34:27 AM
63dave 63dave is offline
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Freedom, Wisconsin
Posts: 10
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine

thanks to all that replied I have Identified that it is a AKN 1869411
2 7/8 X 2 3/4 59214 but not sure what those numbers mean any help ?
I did take Andrew/Radiodoc and Greg's suggestions. after putting in some oil into the cylinder I got 60 lbs of compression. is that still too low ?? took spray bottle of gas primed the carb and got her to pop. pulling rope with one hand spraying gas into carb with the other I finally got it running. I left her alone for the night to give her a rest and to see if they is any more advise.
Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2018, 11:04:47 AM
63dave 63dave is offline
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Freedom, Wisconsin
Posts: 10
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Wisconsin Engine

another question there is a check valve on exhaust vale side of block what is that all about ? what is its purpose and is that have anything to do with compression ?
Reply With Quote


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

F o r u m Jump

Similar Threads Chosen at Random
Thread Thread Starter F o r u m Replies Last Post
Wisconsin T-Head Engine Engine Expert In California?? Sean Keys Antique Gas Engine Discussion 0 02-27-2018 10:20:00 PM
Wisconsin engine ID Mike in CA Wisconsin Engines 3 12-20-2012 08:06:04 PM
30 hp Wisconsin engine farmer24 Wisconsin Engines 2 05-04-2010 10:34:00 PM
Wisconsin engine BKN? bbarker1982 Wisconsin Engines 2 05-12-2009 12:26:51 PM
Wisconsin Engine Jeff Smith Antique Engine Archives 4 08-16-2001 11:26:47 PM

Use "Ctrl" mouse wheel to change screen size.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:40:14 AM.

Smokstak and Enginads site search!

All use is subject to our TERMS OF SERVICE
SMOKSTAK® is a Registered Trade Mark - A Community of Antique Engine Enthusiasts
Copyright © 2000 - 2016 by Harry Matthews P.O. Box 5612 - Sarasota, FL 34277