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Old 05-17-2007, 11:50:27 PM
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And while we're talking Hemi heads, how about one from 1900?

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One time I saw a Welch automobile, about 1903 or so with a V-8 overhead cam hemi engine in it.

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Hey Chris, that could be a Holt head. I seem to recall someone mentioning that American Lafrance didn't build this engine themselves.
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Hi Daniel and Chris,
the engine from the Ward-La France and the Holt T35 are from the same design by Hall-Scott. The T35 engine is 1/4" less bore size, at 4", in 4 cyls. and I guess the W-Lf. is 4 1/4" bore in 6 cyls. This scan from the well known Dykes Automobile and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia.(16th edition)
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:20:11 PM
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Hi Eddie;
Well, here's another one. On the page you posted from Dykes it says Fageol on the rocker cover so they must have used Hall-Scott engines in at least some of the Fageol trucks or busses as well.
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Old 05-19-2007, 12:43:23 AM
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Daniel,
I did some time ago do a net search for Fageol Safety Coach and found an excellent article from a Coach Museum there in the States. The Fageol engine has lots of polished alloy in it. The restoration of the said coach is a stunner. And Dykes tells us that Fageol were making the Hall-Scott design engine in Cal. The Fageol engine pictured has a long timing chain driving the works, but latter units as we can see have upgraded to gear drive. The Coach Museums unit is gear drive from memory.
I did at one time photo copy the Fageol pic and the parts book pic of the Holt T35(2TON) engines to be the same size and they overlay exactly, even to the radiator, cap and bail and the crank handle shape etc., etc.
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Here is an article about a Porcupine Engine I ran accross...

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Old 06-11-2007, 05:42:56 PM
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Hi Packrat;
Now that's a neat piece of iron. I have seen the idea of the moving cylinder before but not with the porcupine cooling quills. Thank you for the information.
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Old 06-11-2007, 11:18:04 PM
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Back to "porcupine engines", the KNOX automobile made in Springfield, Mass. from 1900 to 1914 used a porcupine engine in its first cars, the 1 cylinder models from 1900 to 1904. They used 2" pins inserted in the cylinder barrel. Later went to water cooled engines.
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hi Folks

It's been awhile since anything has been posted about my 1910 IHC Model F Roadster. Restoration is progressing not as fast as I had hoped, but never the less we are moving forward.

I dropped the patterns off at Cattail Foundry today for them to cast new timing sprocket blanks for the camshaft. the timing chains are 5/8" Pitch Silent Chain. 3 of the 4 Exhaust valve cages have had the ears broken off and welded from drawing them down to tight, so I'm in the process of making patterns to repair the valve cages. The crankshaft has 5 main bearings. The crankshaft was straigtened and turned with new bearings by the previous owner. It is a shame he passed away before ever see or hearing the car run. The new body is in primer. For pictures of the body construction go to www.rayscarriageworks.com select wooden body restorations and then select IHC Roadster. If anybody would like to see more pictures of the cars complete con'cours level restoration
you can contact me at lbaumgardner1@comcast.net I'd post more pictures on here, but I can't seem to get the hang of it and I don't like to pester Craig to much.

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Craig here: Pester away LeRoy.......
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