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Twin City Small Tractors. "On a WHIM"


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Old 08-06-2019, 12:10:41 PM
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Default Re: Twin City Small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

Due, if you ever get tired of looking at those steel wheels just send em south.
I do know where there are a pair of outer front rims with concrete in them, been trying to go get em for several years.
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Sounds good Russ! I'm thinking about rubber for the rear anyway as the steel is kinda rough to ride.
I'll send 'em down later this year.
NOT!!!
GB, thank you for opening my dumb eyes about engine serials.
I knew that. CBS, cooked brain syndrome. Need Fall. Soon.

Did any of you fellows ever get the EARLY KT fuel tank serials completely sorted yet? ie. The early shorter fuel tank with the horizontal starting tank and when it changed to the two compartment longer tank? ? The 5-30 instruction book R740 shows both. No serials there.
Engine numbers seem right in line with GB's. Tractor #1042 and engine #1053 here.

Russ, should you happen to get ahold of those outer front rims, I may be interested. I'd sit down for a week or twenty and chip at the concrete to get at them as long as the ends of the spokes are still riveted to the rims with something to weld the flat stock to. Have you ever used Fastenal before on outgoing bits?
Course, I'd like to drive down into your neck of the woods to see/bother a lot of folks.

Hey, do all of you fellas figure, in todays terms if the spokes would be considered hot rolled or cold rolled steel?
Scale on the outside or no scale on the flat stock spokes? I don't know so I ask.
Just plain steel with the ends formed/forged?

KT walkaround. Too dark again but a bit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5h4jn7Bof4&t=5s
Got to get him up The Hill and wash him off to see better. One of my model T's grows the same style ?lichen? ?moss?

Way Off Topic with the tube. Caution: Very different. UWA central MN wrestling.
Don't go searching IF that interested. I tried. Private yet sharable video links. I asked the GM, he said "Go for it."
It's an hour thirteen. You may...see me, my brother, nephew and friends...never mind. See what you think if you wish. No funny business. Just real people. True.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jws...oprJxzJqO6IIkQ

Another day on the morrow.
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KT used KE857A till 583. KE875b to 2275. Both centrifugal type. One has inlet on top and other on bottom. Oil bath came next with carb change at 302275. Oil breather at rear. Later moved to front and carb reversed.
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I have an early tank on my 38 KTA because I couldn't find a really good late tank. This one I got from a 66 Ford grain truck we were scrapping out, the owner had it roller chain mounted to the frame for an auxiliary tank. So other than some old gas tack in it and some dents I had to putty up , this tank is very nice.
I will keep an eye on the front cutoffs, I have used an air chisel and sledge hammer finish on the concrete before, its usually not that bad.
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Bought a set of rear steel wheels and extensions for a MM UTS. They were full of concrete. Took me a whole day with jackhammer to remove. Different cement than nowdays!
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Default Fuel tanks, upper cleaners, lower air cleaners and breathers.

KT and 21-32.
Thanks GB! My parts book says similar but isn’t new enough to tell the next switchover to the oil bath air cleaners.
The KT’s short, bottom inlet (upper) cleaner was replaced with the tall, top section inlet cleaner at engine number 375083. I’ll guess air stacks also changed to add the upper cleaner stop as the cyclone is built into the tall cleaner so the stop is on the stack but the shorter one has the cyclone attached to a short tube that stays put in the long stack perhaps. Unless the short cleaner had the body attached to it’s short tube that holds the cyclone and you removed the whole assembly, unscrewed the cover and shook out the dirt.
2‘s short cleaner had a can on it for 50 years or so and the top of the short tube and the blades of the cyclone are smooth as a baby’s behind.
Obviously, I’d still LOVE to see a few good pics of both as all I have on The Banjo Boys are remnants of both styles on the inlet stacks. KT book has a fair (phantom?) drawing of the tall one.
Both are cleaned by “...(lift it straight up).” off the stack.
The early shorter cleaner: The KT book is unclear but the 21-32 does say it. “It should be removed twice a day, the cover removed and all dirt emptied out.”
^Artist’s perceptions again: Left hand threads by the way, on the two images I have.^
The next taller cleaner: “After removing the cleaner, remove the pipe plug and shake out all the dirt.”

Haha! Now I remember that fun fuel tank story Russ! I think it’s really neat where you got your tank from.
My oh my. I REALLY looked just now. That is a very early tank. This 5-30 instruction book shows both styles of tanks. Your early style on the cover (earlier image) and the two compartment style on P5 from at least May of ‘30.
I’ll type it this way. “Stuff” was changing fast here too.
I’ll get the tank evolution sorted yet guys. 21-32 fuel tank things to sort as well. 1217 had the under tank protector, rolled to fit the underside of the tank to help support it all without the tank sagging.
Oh! I was looking at your pic Russ and remembered you commented/questioned about the front axle reach being full length on yours so I drove down to see. Short reach to the oil pan mount on this one.
Still interesting and something to get sorted. Oops. This book shows the short reach. Perhaps a few mishaps that wrecked a bunch of parts so the change to the long reach?

Don’t forget about valve cover breathers. “Remove the breather on the top of the engine and wash it out in gasoline or kerosene." “Remove the breather every day...” “Shake out all traces of gasoline or kerosene..."
This is under normal conditions. See item 5 in pic 25.
I wonder if we could get the “moss" one book talks about when it wears out.

Differences: Air cleaners. I just learned something that I felt a small bit foolish about. I stopped out in the little shop to look at the air cleaner from the 21-32 as I thought the KT’s seemed a little small up on the truck or for some reason I don’t recall (need cooler weather) and I picked up the 21-32‘s air cleaner and stack.
Oh! They are different.
KT. 8-3/8 across the face and 5-1/16 deep. Inlet 2. Long inlet there. Outlet 1-1/2.
FT/21-32. 9-3/8 across the face and 6-1/4 deep. Inlet 2-1/8? Short inlet there. Outlet 2.

Camera was being a jerk so the numbers are skewed a bit.
Three minutes blown if you care to. Best tube clip yet. Some interesting things at least to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7C7196K_w
22. Short upper cleaner and short front axle reach. Note the fuel tank.
23. Tall upper cleaner and KT sized air cleaner. 5-30 book P9.
25. Inside the 5-30 KT book P5, tall upper cleaner and short front reach. Note the fuel tank again.
24. 2‘s short upper cleaner.
26. 2‘s short upper “Twister Type” cleaner and 21-32 sized air cleaner. Ugh. Nomenclature.
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Default Small (8-3/8 face) Donaldson-Simplex lower air cleaner. 1930 KT #1042.

Let's go after this and ease it apart. Touched the wing-nut with the pliers and bloop! Loose. Too easy.
Comparison coming of 2's FT 21-32 larger air cleaner and measurements to prove, I guess.
It may be a few days for the other comparison. Depending on...my work is retarded busy
There HAS to be more than myself that have realized there is more than one size of Donaldson-Simplex air cleaners? I just found out yesterday. Didn't know. Yet by chance, I read about air cleaners from 4, 5 & 6 years ago here today. Crickets. No one knows? I want answers/links that prove I am not alone.
Six minutes lost of your time but see the tube if you wish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpQYrWmSz6Q This air cleaner in unedited video.
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22. Just loose. Tall inlet.
24. Crap pic. Full.
25. Looks good.
27. Lucky find.
28. A little rot but not bad. Could've been WAY worse.
More to come.
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Default Re: Twin City Small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

I'll get this done so I won't do it so darn late and type so much.
First two pics are the KT.
Second pair are the 21-32.
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Default Re: Twin City Small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

Know of some NOS KT breathers but can't establish price.
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Oh my, GB!
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Default The compact, 5000 lb little KT bugger shall not be...

...A Green Weenie any more. Where did that phrase come from by the way? I know no-one will answer, that’s OK.
Should’ve done a video walk around beforehand.
I took the pressure washer after the moss or lichens or... What is that stuff? You guys know?
I have two model T Fords that grow that stuff. I’ve washed one of them. Is it injurious to tin/sheet metal?
I say over time it may be eating...
I sure like patina and character but the green? Even tho I have a very Irish name, NO. He can have all the rust he wants but no more green...
He looks a lot better than this now. Too dark to take pics of the real tractor under the green.
After work today at the track, in the shade, quite warm out and yet I was refreshed.
There’s a dark layer of scum...that comes off with the wash. Kind of neat. More washing/touch-up to do.
Time to try Penetrol at least on the two mucked up fuel tank decals. Yes, BOTH sides. Cool.

4906. Crap pic.
4833.
4815. The green on the rear.
4752. Crap pic. Shows the smaller KT style lower air cleaner.
4 X 16 rims on the front. Thoughts about tires??? 5 X 16 three rib...whilst waiting for front steel or more bits to unearth to put together steel...?
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Default Bouncing around and writing too much

21-32: Was heading in the right direction this afternoon for/with Maw so we sidetracked and dropped the rad core from 21-32 #1217 off at the rad shop.
He wouldn’t touch 2‘s core with a crack in a header. OK. That one I’ll have my son try his luck on. We’ve both soldered rads before but it’s been a long time for me.
35 years ago on my 1929 IH speedster truck rad after the rad-shop man closer to home (back then) couldn’t manage it and my son on demolition derby trucks more recently.
He said yes.
The man today told it like it is: He can’t guarantee anything but will rod it out and maybe repair the owwee and then I’ll take it home and when I get the tank and sides back from repair, put it together and try it. Maybe take it back and then he can leak check it. He’s actually re-cored a Twin City rad before. Interesting note: He went on to talk about the robust cores but with the flimsy headers. He's right.
He gets his cores from someplace in Michigan. Sounds much like Chicago Radiator style, a core blank with headers. You drill the holes and trim the headers to your tanks.

KT: Have a sneaking suspicion that I paid for the rear steel, maybe the air cleaner and got the rest of the tractor for free. Good thing too.
Upper engine should be quite poor, lower looks really nice, prob'ly shot, oily and two of the bores that I can see shine but no oil in the crankcase. Plug is missing... Perhaps a good thing.
No oil in the transmission either; just a gallon of water and a big ball of rust. So bad, the transmission shafts refuse to turn and the end of the shifter is rusted off some. OK. Time for about ten gallons of old Diesel fuel for the tranny.
I think I’ll drop the bucket and chain the skid loader's bucket mount to the rear wheels and move this guy where I want him or scramble and try to get the transmission loose... Chain it up Duane. And tie the fronts of the rear wheels together for the move...or brace them apart.

What do you guys use to keep water from running down the shifter?

On another front, I swear I’ve read about guys stuffing a gas tank inside an old fuel tank that is just rot but cool.
I should do that with this guy. Thoughts? This tank is just too cool to hide away forever on a wall.

There are tin covers over the inner ends of the front hubs that wrap around the spindles with holes for the Zerks even. Normal? I should photograph them. I need a tripod. Bad.

Son with the pro-sports boy just text pics of his two boys sleeping after we talked. They're just now at a hotel in Milwaukee for a baseball game tomorrow and maybe the Zoo there too. Cool. 7 hour ride for them.

1. I should call stubborn Ari, Obie Wan (1977 Star Wars reference) as he might be “...my only hope...” with that generation unless his brother that is a whole lot like me, but worse, takes an interest. The other twin may surprise me and yet the baseball and all other pro sports little boy may surprise all of us!
I can hope!
2. He was cranked so hard, the pin is all used up on both sides. Just missing/sheared off on the other side and a useless nub here. What type of pin from McMaster-Carr etc??
I need some for a few tractors and to give away.
3. Another crap pic. I did touch up that screen tonight with the washer. Better.
424. 436. and 448. That’s a whole lot nicer. It’s better still with the touch up. The right front hub doesn’t want to give up his moss along with some other parts.
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Default Re: Twin City Small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

Soldering an old rad is a waste of hours.Had KTA and TC. that I spent many hours and wasted pile of good lead content solder on. Material has deteriorated where core meets header.
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Due, if it casts a shadow it CAN be restored.
After the shadow its only a matter of money and stubborn resolve.
On several projects of late I bit the bullet and bought new radiator cores. My backwards (sorta) excuse is that if I waited ten more years to buy a core it would cost wayyy more yet and im actually saving money buying one now. A friend of mine who is an excellent mechanic bought a B John Deere carcass at an auction and folks there ribbed him about never getting that "thing" running. He got it going with one major part missing, the radiator. He bracketed a cream can to the rear axle and shows it regularly that way. Thermosyphon, you know.
Also later found this pic of a C Case in Australia with a barrel radiator modification, hey...…….adapt and overcome they say. You would really laugh at my friends' model T sedan he pulled out of a pasture and drives regularly. Sun roof, bicycle chain driven magneto, exhaust hedders and radiator squirting device.
While I was trying to find a pic of his T I found this awesome pic of the sturdy TT truck.
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Here is how I sledge hammered together a tank repair on a W-12. Sure made the tank heavier, but the cost was minimal. I would suggest welding the filler neck into the new inner tank, I used a rubber grommet and it sweats a little at the top of the tank, leaves a stain on the rusty patina. When my ship comes in I will probably buy a new tank as they are available, I think I can smell diesel smoke daily.
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Default Re: Twin City Small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

Yessss! It does pay to babble! OR
Ask and ye shall receive.
Of course you smell Diesel smoke, you work at a Diesel shop and you have those molecules stuck in your nose!
Shoot, what for, now? (To buy another tank)...
Thank you Russ! That! Yes. Thank you.
Darn it. Now I'll have to decide whether or not to button-up the tank or leave it flopping and sagging...
Love that C Case with tank cooling! The Model TTruck can handle way more than that little bugger. Gosh, if you run across that T photo, do post it.
Wonderful posts gentlemen!!
I hear both of you guys tho. Sometimes it just isn't worth it but core 34 for 2? I hope son can do it. Still not cribbage.
Jim's is always in my mind too.
Oop, rain stopped again. Gotta get back out assembling Maw's new gas grill. Nice she's at work, I didn't do anything wrong.
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Moved the stuck-up KT today. Used a long 2X3X3/16 tube in the arms of the skid loader after dropping the bucket, chained the rear wheels low around the spokes to the tube and picked his rear up and moved him. The platform held it all just fine. He was where the splotch of Poulan green is in the first pic. We had a nice surprise whilst messing around with him. The transmission shafts may be stuck/rusted tight but the diff still works in a turn/front drag. We tried it.
1.18 Back at it. Cutting and burning, burning and cutting to open space for things now we have a little. "Oh, but they're so spaced out...Benny and the Jets."
2.10 We have had rain and the woods are moist! After the washer.
3.11 Before.
4.14 And Maw tells me I should move them BACK further still. Wha? But I'm gonna line 'em up right here for pics. 26068 needs to move just a bit to suit all in a line.
5.15 Both Nathan (son) and I think he's so damn cute! 5000 pounds of tractor in that little package.
6.16 Looks better in there AFTER I hit them with the washer. Refusers that they are. Early on the list with 2
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Default Removing transmission over from a KT.

Was just asking myself how the KT usurped (stole) rank from the late MTA? That was almost easy, he's on steel, has a better radiator and a one piece steering wheel.
BUT: A bad stuck-up transmission and a possibly worse engine. Final drives at the bevel gear are loose and hopefully OK.
For the few that wish to see.
19. Steering column came loose like nobody's business. Loosen the setscrew on the 3-bolt bracket for steering support with a 1/2 inch wrench, then turn the housing for steering shaft (the tube) anti (counter) clockwise whilst turning the steering wheel along with and at the same time to unscrew and remove the column. The KT tractors have the 3 holes in the bracket slotted to allow some wiggle-room when installing the column. I did not find that on the 4-bolt 21-32 bracket. The felt retainer collar may be stuck to the column but the setscrew came loose. Doesn't matter in this part of the operation. Remove the three bolts on the retainer and lift/pull the entire column assembly out and away.
20. There's a shelf that holds splashed up oil at steering gear level. After washing it holds water so I'll wick that out.
Gears look real nice but the end of the shaft is rotted off just a little bit from water up in the shelf too.
24. It just blew me away. The shifter forks slid right off the gears.
26. The ring or crown gear and finals are loose yet. Whether the bearings are nice is another matter.
27. Not too awful bad as I thought but bad. I washed my hands a few minutes ago and they still reek bad.
The left over oil-snot (looked like cat poo) has spoiled with all the water in with it. I had gloves on when scooping the larger piles out but was bare fingered when playing with the wicks to pull water out of the shelf. I was also bare armed whilst reaching DOWN to grab the cat poo so my arm got it bad. Off to wash. Yuck. This shot shows the steering "hole", shelf and oil-catch lip at the bottom of the pic before I put the wick in to drain it.

For 19, 20 and an overall, see this if you wish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRYoUEnB5aU
For 24 you could see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqcD9lwP4Qw
For 26 and 27 you could look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC2d72G-WAc
I don't care about likes or anything on youtube but it does explain a little more perhaps. Just to share info since decent info is hard to find on Twin City tractors.
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Default Re: Twin City Small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

Seems silly using a pressure washer in a transmission but that's what this KT needs. Yuck. Cool looking fuel tank mess is out of the way for more access now.
Getting the gloved-stinky calf-scours/loose cat poo out of there yet tonight and lifted more out and washed again. More to do I saw later.
Funky, got the darned cat to smell my stinky hands and she figured it was not poop. Huh. Smells that way to me. Accidentally touched it...
Used FIL's old crowbar to loosen the piles of hardened oil farther forward and below in the clutch house so the water will drain. Scraped and cleaned there in the bottom and have it pretty clean. Started with the hook and moved inward from the bottom access/drain hole.
I have a bunch of wet, rotted bearings that have fresh water in them.
We choose our battles I guess.
8-20-18 EDIT: Ross Poldark says: "sometimes my battles come at me unannounced."
I'm now thinking that the previous owners NEVER watched the oil level in the transmission and ran it dry and then the water started collecting in this MN climate. 50 years ago.
It did leak a bit of oil. OK. All over.
Splitting will be fun. I'll follow the mfgr's directions.

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Default 1930 KT. No real content here.

Anyone have a belt pulley shaft opening cover for the transmission gear case? For the times we’re doing field or road work and the belt pulley shaft assy has been removed.
I want one next year. That’d be really cool.
Earlier this week: Lying under a KT with only a broken manifold for my head.
It’s shorter on top but taller on the bottom now.
The innocent, almost silly, glee of a boy in a 55 yr old body.
And May-ur Keith wants to install the rebuilt coil box on his TT Saturday and needs help. OK, call me when you’re ready to go Keith.
Too busy again this year. Not enough hours in a day nor light. I should cure the light thing. Nah, go sit down.
No wonder at last year’s HOT show Saturday I lost my mind on Sunday morning. That was weird/sad/strange and interesting. Busy again this year and worse. No show for me.
OR: Opening up a cute little 5000 pound disaster with gorgeous gears. I do like challenges.
And you think 2 is taking a long time, KT 1042 is another long-time user. Clutch shaft is turning along with the counter shaft in the bottom. Good. Brake disk is stuck on the clutch shaft yet but it’s turning readily.
Sliding gear shaft is still stuck tight along with the sliding gears = no sliding there.
I’ve felt odd for a long time about working outside. Nope. Mistake. I like it. I’d rather.
This KT sat for a very LONG time before I interrupted his slumber... Or meant to be. He likes to bite my fingers. Have the band-aids to prove it.
430. He's a bit older yet...
450. Early this afternoon.
451. Later this afternoon. Glad I didn’t change out the original tires on Jay or the MTA for these. Originals would have looked better on this KT but I’m still just tickled! Different looking tires. The ribs...
457. We still think he’s just so damn cute! Even ripped apart, sad and almost forlorn. See the cracks in the extension rims?
NOT a parts tractor. A project!
A friend offered The Hulk, a late 20‘s 17-28 parts unit with counter weights on the crankshaft tonight. I’m so afraid I’d see it as a project too. Shoot, why not? Still pondering and getting the vibe of a potential driver...
454. Walked down into the cool woods and we found this. 6 days after son spreading goodies for the deer and the “furry woodland creatures”. We have growth already! Son spread more good-will to the East again today.
Dad’s old Gehl skid loader is a blessing in so many ways even when he bucks me.
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