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Default Canadian Buffalo 21" Drill Press

So I just bought one of these for next to nothing. It works but the scrap man was about to get it! The pics aren't of my machine but exactly the same, I'll send pics once I uncrate it. There's a couple broken gear teeth in the back gearing. I hope to find parts or I'll machine it down and shrink a ring over and cut a new gear I guess. I've used these before and they're a sturdy drill also nice and old looking
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That will be a great machine if it has not been abused too badly. I prefer those old drill presses to the newer ones, much more rigid and capable of heavy drilling.
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It needs a little work but I'd seen it in action a while back. The power feed needs a repair on the shaft where the small step pulley mounts. It was run loose and dickered the shaft a bit. As I said the back gear has several broken teeth so it was being used in direct only for years. I'm pretty sure I can repair that but I'll have to dust off my dividing head as well as my brain for that of course the table has the obligatory couple holes drilled into it near the center. I was thinking to chuck it in the lathe and pocket it for an insert about 1/2" thick and 3" OD which would remove all the nasty. Hopefully unbox it next week and get a better look at things.
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Here is my drill press, I bought it in 1972, added the motor and chuck and it runs great. The table is pretty good for a machine probably over 100 years old. The only markings are: "Pat. Jan 83" on the handle. Checked that date and it is for the feed handle/worm assembly by Barnes. Don't know if the whole drill press is Barnes or just the handle.
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Forgot to say that none of the holes or divots in the table are mine.
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I have it's little brother, a #15 bench top model that was made from 1957 to 1962 which I horse traded a small bit of simple machining for a local company. I have a suspicion you'd have to spend a lot of money to buy a new drill today to match the quality those old ones had...and have.
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This is one acquired by my brother from a machine shop in Bardstown Ky. I wish I had taken a better look at it. I did not see any readily accessable data plates. Biggest drill press I have ever seen, over ten feet tall, belt driven, obviously. Did not measure the plate but guess it go be about 24 inches diameter and at least 2 inches thick. We will get to it after all of our woodworking stuff is up and running. Giant collet was in different part of shop and I did not get picture of it. Will be sometime before I get back to examine it. Meantime if anybody knows manufacturer, pleas let me know.
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That's pretty sweet it's hard to see well on my phone but I did see pics of similar machines while searching buffalo drill press, Kitchener blower and forge, Canadian buffalo and such. Search and switch to image they should come up. Maybe file names or further links will shed some light on the manufacturer of this drill. She's a real beauty though, would be cool really running from a line shaft!

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Might just do that someday when we make room.
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Here's a pic of a baby Buffalo for comparison that's been in the corner of my shop for years. 8" reach on a heavy cast iron slab that could mount the drill stand (or something else) in two locations. No height adjustment so it doesn't see much use. Motor looks lat 40's / early 50's and it runs well but not much power.



I think the last time I used it was to clean up some worn valve faces on a junk Briggs.
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Just un crated her. Needs a good cleaning and put my single phase motor on. Back gearing has broken teeth, I'll fix that someday
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Default Re: Canadian Buffalo 21" Drill Press

If there is enough meat in that gear you can mill out the broken teeth, then drill holes for pins, then machine or file in the profile for the teeth.
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Looks like it. The smaller gear broke in behind also. Might be more damage on the others. It can all be fixed, just have to find the time
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Found my drill press' older brother on an old ship I'm working on. If this is original to the ship it's roughy built in 1943. Pretty cool with the flat belt drive!
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Looks like ya done good. Virtually no "arc of shame" on the table. Measure those gears and contact suppliers like Boston and Martin for replacements. You don't need to worry about anything but the gear teeth ring itself, you can turn yours down and shrink the new outer ring on. Do a really good job and it's almost invisible.
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"Arc of shame" it amazes me how people can abuse equipment! I've owned my mill for about 15 years now and there isn't even a scratch on the table and it's seen lots of work. Just last year I nicked my vise jaw when an end mill pulled from the collet and I was pissed off with myself for ages! It was only a small mark, but it's a matter of pride not to mill the vise

Good idea sourcing ore made gears, I will look into it. If not available I think I'll try pins and machine them. The inner gear probably needs a ring due to the accessibility of machining gear teeth against the shoulder of the larger gear... will be after New Years before I get back to the shop though so lots of time to think of way to skin cats!
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^ Other than the cost of freight for you, these are pretty cheap.
http://monsterjaws.com/5-x-2-x-0-75-...s-for-5-vises/
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While I like the idea of pressing on a new gear ring, I have had very good luck in the past brazing the missing metal back into rough shape and then machining (or worst case filing) them back to shape. I was doubtful about this at first but I have never had a failure.

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re: arc of shame and nicked vises, I once bought a pair of Cardinal speed vises from some fool locally here. I bought them because the smaller of the two was nearly new and had the vee'd jaws for holding round stock. I got 'em cheap but the morons who used them clearly used them for target practice with every size of drill bit. Even the steel plate that the movable jaw slides on was holed. The seller was quite proud of this accomplishment and the fact that he and his shop mates did not waste time protecting the vise when they drilled. I had to grit my teeth to give the fool his money but I had a use for the little one and fortunately for it it did not get as much abuse as the bigger one. But now I am worried. Someday when I die and my heirs have a big sale, somebody is going to see those vises and say, "Boy, that guy must have been a real jerk." I know, there's bigger things to worry about, but still.

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The "drill, pin and file" gear tooth replacement worked for me when the small (12" dia.) pinion that drove the channel steel and pin ring gear (10 ft. dia.) broke a couple of teeth. I was about 14 yr. old at the time and was running and operating my step father's amusement park. I removed the drive shaft, including the 3 ft. dia. bevel gear on the other end of the shaft and set it on a pair of saw horses inside the Merry After Round. After cleaning a few decades of crease off the pinion I drilled holes at the bases of the broken teeth and tapped for bolts. After the bolts were inserted I cut them off and ground the sides into a sort of gear tooth shape. I then heated the gear with a propane fired weed burner and filled in the missing space with bronze welding using a arc welder. Eventually I had something that looked like gear teeth. Finished off with a grinder. Then I put the thing back together and it ran just as well as before the teeth broke. I have no idea what happened to the amusement park.
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Here's a pic of a baby Buffalo for comparison that's been in the corner of my shop for years. 8" reach on a heavy cast iron slab that could mount the drill stand (or something else) in two locations. No height adjustment so it doesn't see much use. Motor looks lat 40's / early 50's and it runs well but not much power.

Pretty much the same as I have. Mine was mounted on a 5 foot iron table that was supposed to have a gang of 4 drills on it for secondary production work. I pulled it off of that and mounted it on a smaller 2 1/2 x 3 foot Cast Iron Extension Table so I could take it down in the basement. Even sliding the table top down the steps (upside down on plywood) was a two man job with a rope tied to it run through a pulley at the top of the steps for added safety.

Mine was originally 3 phase with push-button Start & Stop on it so when I put a single phase motor on it I used the existing wiring harness run through 2 switches (single throw on/off for power and double throw on/off/on for reversing) to make it reversible for tapping or the occasional left-hand drill operation.

Spindle's a little noisy but it works good.

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