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Old 12-08-2018, 10:14:37 PM
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My father bought this engine about 40 years ago. It has been run on and off for those years, but never adjusted, worked on etc. Recently He moved up to where I live in SC. We spent some time getting the engine back in running shape. The lower stud holding the hopper to the base was broken. The throttle valve was stuck, and it had a bunch of built up grime and dirt that needed to be removed. We got it running. It ran fast at first. I didn't know it was a throttled governed engine. I thought it was a hit and miss, and was trying to tune it to hit...coast....hit...coast...etc. I need to learn what it is supposed to sound like. Here it is running slow. Is it OK to run it like this? I am a steam engine guy and I like to run them as slow as possible. How can I find out what year it was produced? The frame says "T-3". The label says "Sattley Montgomery Ward. Speed 500. 1 3/4HP." Seems rich to me. Needle is only open about 1/8 of a turn.

Video - https://youtu.be/Fds4v3RqZO0
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It's running as a hit and miss now. It should be firing more often as a throttler.
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Default Re: Sattley 1 3/4 HP throttle governed video

A nice running throttler should run faster and hit every time.
Here is a link to my 3 HP Rock Island. This is how they should sound when tuned up nice. Also it sounds like something is misaligned in the gears. Your engine has very noisy gears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl97werE_v0
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Default Re: Sattley 1 3/4 HP throttle governed video

Hi
The engine does run nice even though it is not a hit and miss , many engines have noisy gears - from years of hard work , lack of lubrication during its working life , a gear that has been swaped , etc .
Unlikely misalignment ,
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The 1929 Montgomery Ward has the engine just like this for sale. I'll try to find my copy and post the ad.

My Sattley has the same pin striping as yours except not on the hopper. My engine is repainted. Could you post pix of the four sides please and thank you.
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Default Re: Sattley 1 3/4 HP throttle governed video

From the little bit of movement of the exhaust valve/rocker arm, I'd have to ask if you have the engine timed correctly.

As others mentioned, that engine should be firing every other revolution, every time the exhaust valve opens.

The exhaust valve should start to open about 30 degrees before BDC of the power stroke. It should stay open until 0-5 degrees after the end of the exhaust stroke (just after TDC).

After you have the exhaust valve opening and closing as it should (adjust gear timing and/or lash screw at valve end of rocker arm), adjust ignition timing to trip the mag about TDC in start position, and it should be 20-30 degrees before TDC in run position.

Good Luck, Bob
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Here are two pix from the 1929 Montgomery-Ward catalog and one of the original type muffler. They give all of the statistics plus info on the bigger ones. Note the original muffler is distinctive. I got this one from one of the sponsor advertisers, maybe Starbolt or Pederson - don't remember but it's nice.
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Here are some pics of the engine. The Pinstripes do not look "factory". But maybe whoever did them was copying the factory job. Hope they help.
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Here are some pics of the engine.
What you have is a Model "TA" built by Nelson Bros. in Saginaw. This one has a Sattley name tag, indicating it was sold by Montgomery Ward.

Is the serial number also stamped on the face of the pulley side flywheel?
And if so what is it?

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Denis, I just bought one serial number TA13789. Can you tell me the year made? It is also a 1 3/4 hp. Thanks! Kevin
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Denis, I just bought one serial number TA13789. Can you tell me the year made? It is also a 1 3/4 hp. Thanks! Kevin
I presently can't tell when a specific Nelson Bros. engine was built. I would like to add your Sattley to the Nelson Bros registry here:
http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/nelsonbros/page101.html

Please email me pictures of your Sattley and I will gladly add it to the registry.

Thanks!
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