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Old 08-18-2015, 09:27:07 PM
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Just figured I'd share a recent experience of mine. Was going to post in "Smoke, Flames, and Gas" but figured the info might prove more useful here. Might save someone some headache.

I have a '90 F-Superduty with a Dana 80 rear axle that had a wheel seal leak. It only has 96,000 miles on it, but the rear end had never been apart. Since I was going to go thru the work of pulling it apart, I would replace the bearings whilst I was in there. Ordered the bearings from O'Reilly specifying that i wanted BCA/National bearings. Reason being is that a few years back (actually like 15 now that I think of it) when I worked at a machine shop BCA/National was "the good stuff", and made in the good ol' U.S. of A. Been a while since I bought wheel bearings but I thought nothing of it when I asked for them a few days ago. Well, I picked them up last night, got home and started unboxing for reassembly. I drop a race down in the hub and was fixin' to put the press tool on it and I see the word "CHINA" looking back at me.

WHAT?!? Oh heyul no...

I looked at the other boxes. All but two said "Made in China". The other two were, "Hecho en Mexico". So I boxed up the few I had taken out of the package, and returned them today. I did a lot of research last night and apparently USA made bearings are a rare thing these days. Even the legendary Timken, inventor of the tapered roller bearing, is producing bearings in China now. What is the world coming to?

What I found is that pretty much any auto parts shop in my area can't get American made bearings. I was told, "There aren't any bearings made in America any more". Umm, no. You're wrong. The good news is, I contacted Norfolk Bearing and they had my choice of American, Japanese, or German made bearings. Went there today and snagged a set. Was only $60 more than the China junk too. That was for a set of bearings and races for one axle. $229 out the door. Inners were American, outers were Japanese. All boxed NTN.

Moral of the story: Don't let the auto parts chains tell you that Chinese bearings are all that's out there. Take the numbers off your bearings and go to your local industrial bearing house and buy quality.

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Old 08-19-2015, 01:56:39 PM
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Where were the original bearings made? Apparently they were still going strong at 96,000 miles, what if they were made in Mexico or China?
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:52:12 PM
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If the bearings were in good shape, no reason to replace them. My R-20 suburban ate the pinion bearings. The rear was rebuilt (over 500 in bearings), and the replacements were china built. First, the pinion bearings would not fit the shaft. Next when finally a set was installed, a noticable high spot was noted when spinning the shaft. Enough that it wouls stop every time when spun, in the same spot. In went a second set (BOO HISS) Next, the carrier bearings were loose on the carrier mount. Another setback. After fit and adjustment, it looked like about 1/8 of the rollers were outside the outer races!. In goes a 3rd set. The rear is finally together and has about 5000 miles on it. Sounds like the bearings are gouing bad - noisy as all get out. NAPA says it is normal for china crap, but they can't get US made unless special order and at 3x the price. had to buy a set of rotors for the baest. 1st set blued and physicaly broke where the cooling fins hit the brake surface. Autozone said it was having a lot of comebacks on them and gave me another set. These began shedding parts of metal off the brake surface, and when inspected, showed holes in the casting and impurities in the metal. Looked like rust inclusions. Took a 3rd set to get a good fix. Darn chinese junk!
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:36:00 PM
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The originals were Japanese made Koyo bearings. They were good bearings, but with the wheel seal being bad for quite some time (per previous owner) moisture got in due to the truck sitting a lot. When it did move, it didn't go far so there was condensation issues as well as construction site dirt/concrete dust. The pumpkin was ok, but the RH wheel bearings were in rough shape. Which I suspected because the truck had a slight pull to the right which is now gone. Wasn't sure if it was brakes or bearings at first, but after getting it apart it was obvious. Pretty sure the gear oil had never been changed either. Even the best bearings won't take rust/dirt/water intrusion.
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I have to say, some of them fine CHINA bearings have more play in them than the 100,000 mile bearings they were to replace
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Union wages make it harder to compete with Chinese labor cost. We've priced our way right out of manufacturing. Really sad. I still look for the American made labels. But it getting harder to find one.

It used to be the Chinese stuff was crap. But they have figure out that they have to up the quality for the American market. It's improved.
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Hi

Timken still makes bearings in the US. Cost of 2 Timken bearings I needed a month ago $795 China bearings $150.

You can get them but they are pricey.

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People go to the "Chain" auto parts stores to buy CHEAP! The stores sell them CHEAP stuff. I have been doing auto, equipment and motorcycle work for over 45 years. The hardest part of my job these days is finding quality, NON-Chinese made parts. I mostly trade at NAPA, a store that I have used for 25 years. They know what quality I want and for the most part, they can supply it.
Check CAREFULLY where the seal lip rides on the rear axle housing. I had an Econoline that kept leaking and I found a small nick on th bottom side of the seal surface. I installed a Speedi sleeve. Here is a size chart: http://www.oit.edu/docs/default-sour...g.pdf?sfvrsn=2

http://www.skf.com/binary/26-128020/...edi-Sleeve.pdf

I have used them on rear axles, harmonic dampers, and the seal end on a Toyota crankshaft. ALL worked successfully.

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Gosh, I did a google search on Dana 80 wheel bearings and found these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tm...0SshoCtFDw_wcB
(Timken, $17.xx)
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My 66 f100 is wearing a speedy sleeve on it's right axle. Fixed the problem for sure.But the dam thing cost me about 50 bucks! For a thin little sleeve.
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My 66 f100 is wearing a speedy sleeve on it's right axle. Fixed the problem for sure.But the dam thing cost me about 50 bucks! For a thin little sleeve.
Yeah...They are proud of them but I'd rather spend $50. than have to re-do a leaky seal and replace a set of brake shoes..... Been there and actually Done that. Had to clean up the mess, buy another seal, a Speedi Sleeve and a set of new brake shoes.
Another thing I ALWAYS do when a full floating axle is apart is to replace the wheel cylinders and the brake shoes all at the same time unless the shoes are like new.
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