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Old 12-03-2018, 10:35:29 PM
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The "Great Eastern" was built around 1858 and it was the largest ship for many years. It had six masts, one screw and two sidewheels. The sidewheels were likely driven by this type engine. There is an engine model in a museum in the UK. The wheel engine was 4 cylinder, 74 inch bore, 14 ft stroke. Wheels were 56 ft diameter. Screw engine 4 cylinder 7 ft dia, 4 ft stroke. Screw was 4 blade 24 ft dia, 36 tons. Book; The Great Iron Ship by James Dugan. Engine details are from other sources. It laid the first Atlantic Cable.

---------- Post added at 10:35:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:14:41 PM ----------

http://atlantic-cable.com//Cableships/GreatEastern/

Paddle engine model in post 10.
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Old 12-05-2018, 11:47:16 PM
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The "Great Eastern" was built around 1858 and it was the largest ship for many years. It had six masts, one screw and two sidewheels. The sidewheels were likely driven by this type engine.
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I am not sure which type of engine you are referring to, but the Great Eastern's paddle engines were the oscillating type, not the side lever type being discussed in this thread (apologies if you were referring to something else).

There were however some very powerful side lever engines being used around that time, for example the Cunard paddle steamer Persia of 1856 had a side lever engine of 3,600 ihp and was used on the North Atlantic run.

Scotia of 1862 was an even larger paddle ship with side lever engines of 4,570 ihp and crossed the Atlantic at an average speed of 14.5 knots on a record run. 350 tons of coal consumed per day...cylinders 100 inch diameter, 144 inch stroke, steam at 25 psi.

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Old 12-20-2018, 11:22:49 AM
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here is the progress of modeling the frame for the engine. Now it time to move on to the bed plate, cylinder, pump and condenser
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:22:02 PM
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an up date on the 3D modeling project of the gothic side lever engine.

the frames are erected on the bedplate and the cylinder set in place
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:25:30 PM
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and now the cylinder
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:30:35 PM
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and the casting of the cylinder

I wonder if that crane swiveled 360 degrees and how?
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:15:18 AM
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Dave,
I am not a crane expert, but my guess is that it does swivel 360 degrees. Another guess is there is a pivot at the base and another in the rafters? If the winch is hand cranked, then there should be nothing to stop the whole crane revolving.

Here is a sketch made by Agricola c.1550 showing a slewing crane used in the metal industry. It has crank drive with gearing and note that it also has a movable trolley.

Also a sketch made by Leonardo da Vinci showing a slewing mast crane, with gearing. A bit earlier than Agricola's example.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:41:33 AM
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Thank you Peter for the in put

There are so many parts on the drawings of this engine I can not identify and it is very difficult finding information on the piping of such an engine. So I am going with the idea of building a diorama of the ship under construction. In the diorama I can have the engines partially built with parts scattered around the ground.
Engineering logic suggests first the bottom of the hull was built then the engines built on these timbers. Now the hull can be built around the engines.
The frame pieces for this engine were 20 feet long and weighed 18 tons. Somehow these had to be picked up, set up on the bedplate and bolted down.
To accomplish this the shipyard must have had some sort of crane, derrick, gantry or shearleg system for moving heavy parts. This was 1840 so I do not think any type of steam powered cranes were in use.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:57:38 AM
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You are doing an outstanding job of modeling these parts. Are you going to cast up a model? With a little more research you may be able to put one together. Looks great!
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:25:02 AM
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You are doing an outstanding job of modeling these parts. Are you going to cast up a model? With a little more research you may be able to put one together. Looks great!
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the plan is to 3D print a 3/8 = 1 foot scale model

depending on cost 3d printing vs molding and casting I will look into making a kit of the engine.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:38:21 AM
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this is the company that built the engine being modeled here
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There are two Merrick & Sons engines surviving although they are stationary beam engines. They are a little newer too, 1852 and 1854 and not as Gothic in design. They are in Chesapeake City MD and they ran a lift wheel for the canal. Google C&D Canal Museum and you should be able to find some pictures.
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There are two Merrick & Sons engines surviving although they are stationary beam engines. They are a little newer too, 1852 and 1854 and not as Gothic in design. They are in Chesapeake City MD and they ran a lift wheel for the canal. Google C&D Canal Museum and you should be able to find some pictures.
thanks for the lead. I did check for images and I found 2 pumps for the canal.

the stand still on the project right now is the cylinder valves.

these 2 engines have different valve setups. on one a shaft runs through the columns and on the other the shaft is on the outside.

the 3rd photo is the engine in the Henry ford museum
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:29:01 AM
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I found these drawings in a book on steam engineering

I am thinking this might be the setup on the engine being modeled because there is no shaft running through the upright columns
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among the original drawings these are the only parts I could find that MIGHT be part of the cylinder valve assembly.

in the hast photo the red arrow shows the shaft going through the column the drawing shows no hole for a shaft
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and this is why it takes soooooooooooo long to model this engine

it takes 10 times longer to figure out what the parts are and how it goes together than it does to do the drawing and modeling the pieces and parts.
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The C&D engine with the valve shaft outside of the column is the earlier 1852 engine.
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You seem like the sort that would really appreciate this one. A friend of mine is building it. I don't know where he found them, but he found a set of castings for it a few years back. Seems very similar to what you're doing. At least enough to share a few parts. I'll have to grab a few more pictures for you next time I'm at his shop. The thing weighs around three hundred pounds, which certainly isn't helped by the tile base.
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The C&D engine with the valve shaft outside of the column is the earlier 1852 engine.
now that is an interesting clue


the outside shaft is earlier of the two and if this engine was built in 1839 it is a very good chance the valve shaft was outside the columns.

so seems the cylinder valve system with the shaft running through the columns was a change made in the 1840's from an earlier design.
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another possible clue is the valve system was designed by stevens

so to follow this I contacted the Stevens school of technology to see if there are drawings in their archives.
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