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Old 02-10-2019, 11:24:23 AM
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You seem like the sort that would really appreciate this one. A friend of mine is building it. I don't know where he found them, but he found a set of castings for it a few years back. Seems very similar to what you're doing. At least enough to share a few parts. I'll have to grab a few more pictures for you next time I'm at his shop. The thing weighs around three hundred pounds, which certainly isn't helped by the tile base.

this might be the guy who can identify what some of these drawings are.

really nice engine be interesting to know what the drawings are. I know the Smithsonian has a set of drawings of a gothic style engine but after months of emails I get NO reply.
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Old 02-10-2019, 01:58:20 PM
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Don't expect much help from Stevens either. Their archives are not in any order and the historian has no idea of what you would be talking about.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:09:18 PM
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and now for modeling the condenser and cooling tower
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:10:54 PM
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more views of the condenser
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:12:53 PM
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fitting the condenser into the engine
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:17:20 PM
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seems to be several openings in the condenser I need to figure out what attaches to them.
I need inlet for the steam from the cylinder, inlet and outlet for cooling water and air pump attachment.
there is also a tunnel that runs from side to side through the condenser which is for the lever shaft that goes from one pillow block to the other one on the other side
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Old 02-24-2019, 09:30:58 AM
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Don't expect much help from Stevens either. Their archives are not in any order and the historian has no idea of what you would be talking about.
that's kind of what I figured since I never did get a reply after several Emails.
oh well I guess I got to search other sources for the cylinder valve arrangement.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:23:31 AM
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still no reply from the Stevens archive library of technology nor anyone else for that matter on the cylinder valve and steam box system.

Oh well

so the air pump has been modeled

I do change up the rendering of parts this one has a gloss red paint job.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:33:54 AM
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onward with the modeling and building of the engine. The air pump has been bolted into the engine. it bolts to the bedplate and to the side of the condenser.

Stevens institute of technology no answer, Smithsonian no answer, Henry ford museum of technology has no drawings or information.
so far no one knows from steam engine societies, clubs or museums anything on how the steam inlet and outlet system works on the cylinder.
running out of people to ask. but then again this engine was built in 1839 how many people could actually know how it works?
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:40:08 AM
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from the original drawings this is all I have to work with
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Looking good Dave. As of now you are probably the most knowledgeable person in the world on that engine so I hope that you can find the information that you need. No one at the Smithsonian would know anything about what you are talking about, there are no experts there anymore, they are just a warehouse. Have you looked for books on steam engines from the 1840's and 50's? That might be your only chance to find what you need.
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Looking good Dave. As of now you are probably the most knowledgeable person in the world on that engine so I hope that you can find the information that you need. No one at the Smithsonian would know anything about what you are talking about, there are no experts there anymore, they are just a warehouse. Have you looked for books on steam engines from the 1840's and 50's? That might be your only chance to find what you need.
hi Bill thanks for the comment

the project started out about a year ago and I knew nothing about steam engines, to date I have collected a library of digital books from various on line libraries about steam engines. for the most part the books deal with the how steam works and little about building a steam engine. but as I gain an understanding of the steam engine I can figure out the pieces and parts from the original drawings.
so yes I began this with searching for experts to guide me and ended up knowing every nut and bolt in this engine in the end I just might end up the expert.

This type of engine was common over in England and this engine is actually one of a kind, it is the first and last time the US navy use this style so there isn't any other to compare to.

I have become aware like you said there really are no "experts" at the Smithsonian or for that matter other archives, museums, clubs etc. either they are not willing to answer or they just don't know.

so far so good now the hard parts the water wheel, the boiler and piping the engine will be the hardest to do.
Well actually that cylinder valve system will be a challenge in itself.

once it is all said and done there should be enough drawings and information to build a working model. What I am doing is hollow that is no interior workings. But they are all drawn I just did not include them in the model.
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:27:42 PM
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Dave, for what it's worth the only place I've seen drawings that old was in an old drawing instruction book from 1855, "The Engineer & Machinist's Drawing Book, a complete course of instruction for the practical engineer".
It is based on the works of M. Le Blanc & M.M. Armengaud, published by Blackie and Son, Glasgow, Edinburg, London and New York, 1855. I have never seen it on line. It has some drawings of a beam engine in it that are similar to what you are working on. I did not see any drawings of the valve arrangement in it. You are most likely looking at a poppet type valve system with stems that are lifted by the fingers in your drawings.
As for the Smithsonian, search the online indexes to the collections, find what you think you might need, make an appointment for a research session. This has to be done well in advance of your visit. You will be allowed only a pencil and paper, no cameras, no cell phones, no pens. They will bring the items out for you to look at. The folks that know specific areas and histories well are usually pretty well insulated from the general public. It will take some work on your part to gain contact access to the experts, if you can find any. Good luck and Happy Hunting! - JM
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:58:46 AM
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You are most likely looking at a poppet type valve system with stems that are lifted by the fingers in your drawings.

from what I gathered so far you can not say these engines were factory production made. Seems they were in a constant state of change making these engines almost one off one of a kind.
Like you said looking at the drawing it appears to be a "poppet type valve system" ok so where do you find working drawings of such a system circa 1839? that is the problem. There seems to have been several valve systems in use so any engine could use any one of them.


As for the Smithsonian, search the online indexes to the collections, find what you think you might need, make an appointment for a research session. This has to be done well in advance of your visit. You will be allowed only a pencil and paper, no cameras, no cell phones, no pens. They will bring the items out for you to look at. The folks that know specific areas and histories well are usually pretty well insulated from the general public. It will take some work on your part to gain contact access to the experts, if you can find any. Good luck and Happy Hunting! - JM

actually that is where this all started searching on line Smithsonian and quite a few Emails to the museum. finally I did narrow it all down that is where the original drawings came from. so once you sort of find what you need it is either go there yourself and do the research or hire a researcher in the area, both are very, very, very expensive.


it is kind of a catch 22 sure the staff will bring out what you "exactly" ask for but if you can not search the archives in depth you don't know what to ask for.
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I found these diagrams while searching for images of Cornish engine valves. The poppet valves used on the engine that you are doing could have been similar to these even though your engine probably did not operate on the Cornish cycle. They call them double beat valves which I would call balanced valves. You should do more searching on Cornish pumping engines as there are still quite a few left in England. The 1812 engine at Crofton had Cornish valve gear installed in 1843.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...lves,_1866.jpg
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There you go! Nice work, Bill!
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I have been posting images of the progress of the build
now that I have to figure out the valves for the cylinder I will start with the basic information I have and try to figure out what it is all about.
If anyone recognizes any of this please speak up.

the first image is the total drawing then I broke it down into smaller sections so you can see them.

I am thinking I have the valve chest or also I seen it called a steam chest. I think this is what the valve system sits on.
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continued plan sections
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last of the sheet sections.

I noticed in this set of plans that sometimes parts are drawn that has nothing to do with the sheet title. my thoughts are the draftsman is just using available space in the drawings. So what we see here may or may not belong to the valve chest.

I am wondering from pictures and drawings of the valve systems there seems to be a "box the valves sit on and a box at the top. This drawing shows only one valve box at the bottom.

in all the contacts I have made around the world this forum has provided more help and links than anyone else
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what is nice about 3D modeling you can view the model at any angle

this valve box has to go here between the cylinder and condenser there is a raised area on the bed plate and the top side of the cylinder does have a long box shaped opening.
I am not a steam engineer but this seems logical
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