Antique Engines and Old Iron
[Home] - [HELP] - [Forums] - [Library] - [Photo Gallery] - [Groups] - [Classified Ads] - [Subscribe] - [Links] - [Books] - [Sponsors] -

Go Back   SmokStak > SmokStak® Shop Equipment Tools and Techniques > Blacksmithing and Metallurgy
Forgot Password? Join Us!

Notices

Blacksmithing and Metallurgy Hand-wrought manufacture of metal objects, extracting metals from their ores, or purifying metals and casting useful items from the metals.

Blacksmithing and Metallurgy

Anvil, saved a Peter Wright


this thread has 12 replies and has been viewed 1152 times

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-16-2019, 04:24:03 PM
J.B. Castagnos J.B. Castagnos is online now
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Louisiana USA
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 915
Thanked 3,526 Times in 1,105 Posts
Default Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

The scrap man came by with this anvil, it's a Peter Wright. It was painted white the top plate was missing from the hardy hole back. I bought it as an ornament, started reading about them and found out a repaired anvil, though not perfect is better than a broken one. I heated it to 400F, welded in the missing section, machined it flat and square at the weld and front. There's still some sway in it, should I machine some more or leave as is?
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 03-16-2019, 07:09:59 PM
J.B. Castagnos J.B. Castagnos is online now
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Louisiana USA
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 915
Thanked 3,526 Times in 1,105 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

Couldn't post the pics from the shop. I think the weight is 134 LB. I remember reading that the first 1 is 112, second 1 is 12, 10 is 10.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	anvil1.JPG
Views:	378
Size:	126.1 KB
ID:	330723   Click image for larger version

Name:	anvil2.JPG
Views:	292
Size:	159.8 KB
ID:	330724  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to J.B. Castagnos For This Post:
  #3  
Old 03-16-2019, 08:31:44 PM
J.B. Castagnos J.B. Castagnos is online now
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Louisiana USA
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 915
Thanked 3,526 Times in 1,105 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

Looked up the English weight system, first one is 112, second one is quarter weight, 28, third is pounds, should be a 150 lb anvil. A lot more confusing than just marking it 150LB.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-16-2019, 08:52:28 PM
I like oldstuff I like oldstuff is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 6,140
Thanks: 1,560
Thanked 7,232 Times in 2,653 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

Quote:
Originally Posted by J.B. Castagnos View Post
There's still some sway in it, should I machine some more or leave as is?
The tops were typically case hardened. If you machine the sway out you'll likely cut through the hard layer and have dead soft material which will deform easily when you use it as an anvil. But if you want to flog the thing I'd consider doing a weld buildup hardface then grind it. Yeah it won't be original but the next generation won't know what a hammer is much less an anvil.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to I like oldstuff For This Post:
  #5  
Old 03-16-2019, 08:54:20 PM
dalmatiangirl61 dalmatiangirl61 is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: San Marcos, Texas / McGill, Nevada
Posts: 4,834
Thanks: 5,777
Thanked 4,158 Times in 2,045 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

Looks good to me, I'd say its fixed and ready to work. Nice find, I'm still looking for a nicer one.
__________________
Those who can see the invisible, can do the impossible
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to dalmatiangirl61 For This Post:
  #6  
Old 03-16-2019, 09:00:42 PM
J.B. Castagnos J.B. Castagnos is online now
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Louisiana USA
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 915
Thanked 3,526 Times in 1,105 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

The hardened plate on this one is over a 1/2" thick, would probably need another .030-.040" to straighten it. This one is going to my youngest son, he has use for it right now, the one behind it will go to my older son. They are both mechanical engineers, grew up in the shop with me and will appreciate them.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-16-2019, 09:07:04 PM
I like oldstuff I like oldstuff is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 6,140
Thanks: 1,560
Thanked 7,232 Times in 2,653 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

With that much hardface hell yeah. Take the sway out and sharpen the side edges.
It has to be a good feling to have kids with a mechano mentality.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to I like oldstuff For This Post:
  #8  
Old 03-16-2019, 09:44:23 PM
J.B. Castagnos J.B. Castagnos is online now
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Louisiana USA
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 915
Thanked 3,526 Times in 1,105 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

I cut it with carbide, could only go a few thousandths at a time. I ordered ceramic cutters, will give them a try. The carbide threw out yellow fireflies. ceramic will probably do the same.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-16-2019, 11:52:52 PM
Pete Spaco Pete Spaco is offline
Registered-II
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Baldwin, Wisconsin USA
Posts: 955
Thanks: 37
Thanked 696 Times in 354 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

The top of the anvil is supposed to be through hardened, not case hardened.
But sometimes they didn't get the quenched fast enough for the top to get fully hard. But mostly, they did get it right.
That said, if all it needs is another 30 thou or so taken off, I'd do it. To me the picture shows that the face is still kinda rough.
I have been surface grinding the faces of anvils on and off for several years and have taken as much as .120" off anvils like that with no ill results.
In almost all cases where the owner has welded the face up with hard surface materials, even with careful pre and post heat, some fine cracks appear sooner or later. They usually occur at the edges.
For more of my own personal comments on this, go here:
https://spaco.org/anvlgrnd.htm

Lastly- re: milling the face---- I have milled some faces before surface grinding them. I usually use fairly cheap carbide inserts on a 1 1/2" face mill running at 350 rpms. They work pretty well for a short while but they dull suddenly and do as you said. I think I can take at least 20 thou cuts wilth a slow but steady feed.

Pete Stanaitis
---------------
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Pete Spaco For This Post:
  #10  
Old 03-17-2019, 12:37:40 AM
Power Power is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 5,279
Thanks: 1,219
Thanked 3,159 Times in 1,857 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

If I was keeping it for myself, I would call it good. If I were giving it to my kid, I would want to be proud of what I give him. I would cut the 0.030 off, put something on it to stop rusting, and be proud.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Power For This Post:
  #11  
Old 03-17-2019, 10:43:43 AM
J.B. Castagnos J.B. Castagnos is online now
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Louisiana USA
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 915
Thanked 3,526 Times in 1,105 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

I'll try cutting again when I get the ceramic, , .040" should take the sway out of it, may not clear the pits. I have a surface grinder coming, was donated, haven't seen it yet, don't know if it will handle it.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-06-2019, 09:36:27 PM
Odin Odin is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Elmira, New York
Posts: 1,507
Thanks: 517
Thanked 1,250 Times in 645 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

Looks familiar, I picked up one like it in February. But mine was usable as-is, some worn down edges and a little sway in the middle. The only spot on it that I'm tempted to try fixing is the chisel table, which is bulged out and uneven. Made a chisel plate for it today despite that, so I don't know yet if I'll try changing things.

Was always under the impression that these old anvils had a roughly 1/2" thick tool steel plate that was forge welded onto a wrought iron or cast steel body. The anvil face would be heated to a bright orange and then hardened under a stream of water, resulting in a hard surface with softer metal beneath because the mass of the anvil body would temper the surface in the same heat as the hardening operation. Machining one then results in the surface being softened slightly unless the heat treating operation is repeated at the new thickness, and thinning the plate makes it more likely to crack and come off.

Since your anvil already had it come off once and had to be mended I wouldn't worry about it as much as on an anvil that still had its original surface, since the mended area is always going to reflect the ball bearing a little less than the original surface because of the small air gap beneath it.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Odin For This Post:
  #13  
Old 05-28-2019, 07:00:34 PM
J.B. Castagnos J.B. Castagnos is online now
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Louisiana USA
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 915
Thanked 3,526 Times in 1,105 Posts
Default Re: Anvil, saved a Peter Wright

I had to cut down a pecan tree in the back yard, it was struck by lightning and upper branches were starting to decay, it was 90' tall, 45' from the house. I did manage to get an anvil stand out of it, and probably will get 700BF of lumber. A friend is going to mill it, he wants some flooring.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	tree3.JPG
Views:	85
Size:	24.4 KB
ID:	335758   Click image for larger version

Name:	tree2.JPG
Views:	87
Size:	178.1 KB
ID:	335759   Click image for larger version

Name:	tree1.JPG
Views:	82
Size:	157.1 KB
ID:	335760  
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to J.B. Castagnos For This Post:
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

F o r u m Jump

Similar Threads Chosen at Random
Thread Thread Starter F o r u m Replies Last Post
Peter Wright anvils anthony k axsom Blacksmithing and Metallurgy 3 04-06-2016 07:07:18 AM
Peter Wright Anvil 3 2 2 John Schlicher Blacksmithing and Metallurgy 5 12-26-2015 05:18:22 PM
Peter Ledwith G Willikers Antique Steel Wheel Tractors - Old Iron Lugs and Cleats 26 02-26-2015 12:18:04 AM
Peter Wright Anvil Skidmore Blacksmithing and Metallurgy 4 12-23-2010 10:26:50 AM


Use "Ctrl" mouse wheel to change screen size.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:32:40 AM.

Smokstak and Enginads site search!


All use is subject to our TERMS OF SERVICE
SMOKSTAK® is a Registered Trade Mark - A Community of Antique Engine Enthusiasts
Copyright © 2000 - 2019 by Harry Matthews P.O. Box 5612 - Sarasota, FL 34277