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Old 02-15-2006, 09:44:31 PM
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I have a 1/6th scale Robert Bell traction engine. Its currently in the shop for overhaul. It was started by someone in the London Ont. Area so I was told. Who ever it was, they were a wiz at fabricating. It was passed on to someone who tried to finnish it but the quality was just not there. It went to a man named Inglis way up in Earlton Ont. Does anyone know some history on it?
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:16:29 PM
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Terning did number his half scales, Ive owned #35 and #119 . At least I think number 119 was the last one... Tom would have built nearly six a year over approx.a twenty year time span. When he first started you could buy a turn key engine for 12,000, and when he built the last one around 18,500. He did an excellant job and really had a love for what he did. His wife and son also had a lot of time in putting those engines out their. Steam industries were selling theirs for 22,000 at one time. They bought Ternings patterns ect... It would be interesting to know who owns each one of these engines.
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Old 02-16-2006, 11:33:27 AM
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I always wondered if anyone ever tried plowing with a 1/2 scale engine. I wondered what they were rated to pull?

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I can't speak for others, but the 1/2 scale GaarScott my Grandfather built will pull a three bottom 16" plow. I often had trouble with the front end being light, being a bracket mounted engine. But after placing a dummy square water tank between the steam dome and stack filled with lead, old chains and big chunks of iron, weighing around 300 lbs or so, I took care of the dancing front end. I lucked out that I didn't add too much weight so the front wheels don't carve into soft dirt too bad, but enough weight to hold her down when I pour the coals to her. I have had the engine on the Prony brake up at Rollag and I have pulled a steady 11 - 13 hsp with spikes at 20 - 22 hsp. The spread is a result of different times on the brake. As Colin pointed out, loss of hsp can be a result of loose belt, align up or similar problems. I am not sure what the engine is rated at the drawbar. She moves around 3/4 to 1 mile per hour. Pretty slow, but puts on an amazing display when she's hooked up

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Old 02-28-2006, 10:30:03 PM
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I have built numerous traction engines with little or no castings. 2 1/4 size Sawyer Masseys, 1 1/6 John Goodison. I would love to see a picture of the 1/6 Robert Bell mentioned on this site.

Someone on this site said small engines can't pull. I beg to differ, see photo of my Goodie in action.
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:01:51 AM
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I was just perusing my excellent copy of the Reeves bible (Thankyou Chuck!) and got to thinking what a great design the Reeves would be to own in 1/2 scale. In addition to the rugged simple design there was the exellent mounting of the engine and gearing to the boiler. No bolt holes into the steam space. No extra effort to model suspension or frames. Smooth double cylinder operation. I have not built a model, but an asme code canadian 1/2 scale Reeves would make an great model.

I scanned the Canadian Reeves boiler. The engine, gearing,axles and steering all bolt to wing sheets or boiler plate extension. The only down side is it appears all the Reeves were wet bottom and that would make flue rolling a bit difficult.

It looks like a 20 hi-wheel or 32 simple would be a large enough model that the operator could sit comfortably under the canopy of a 1/2 scale.
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Old 03-10-2006, 12:32:10 PM
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The tube rolling would not be a problem because you just have the boiler built as a dry bottom and make a fake wet bottom ash pan. See the attached photo.

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Old 03-11-2006, 08:01:33 PM
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Ive been sitting here wondering why the heck Reeves would go to all the trouble to build a wet bottom boiler, way out in the later years. It had to raise the cost of the machine and reduce sales. Also makes maintance difficult. Frick started out this way, but they dropped it later. I wonder,..... if the crown sheet fails, like the medina case, would a wet bottom be less inclinded to go air-born than an open bottom boiler? Its got to be a lot stronger with two more boiler plates across the bottom. Then eventually those bottom plates become a possable fail point. I do like the way the hardware is mounted to the boiler. Perhaps because Reeves did not use any suspension or frame, they felt the need to beef up the boiler, which was the foundation for a very rugged plow engine.
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My question is------ If you built a half scale 150 case, would it be the same as a 75hp case?
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:36:27 AM
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My question is------ If you built a half scale 150 case, would it be the same as a 75hp case?
In a word, Nope. Things don't scale linearly. A 1/2 scale is actually has 1/8 the volume of the full sized engine. That said, it would still be a fair sized engine.
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Default Re: Scale Models 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, ect

ya allens right. a boiler from a 6-18 portable would kind of be close for a half scale 150, they have a 22" barell, the 150 was 42. but if a guy was going to go to all that work getting the proper scale boiler done wouldn't be a big deal
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my brother and I finnished a 1/2 scale advance rearmount in 2004 about ten years after starting. painted it last winter cleaning it up now in prep for waseon ohio hope to make it anyway. No castings were used except flywheel and smoke box door. After working out a few bugs it doesn't run too bad guess we're happy with it
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I will try to add photos of our model hope it works
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You are so right about many engines that are sitting hidden in sheds and barns. I have seen many through the years and had a couple I was watching that have slid thru the cracks on me and I cant find where they went. I have seen where a few of them have been pushed away into junk piles and know for a fact that a model of a Case that was between third and half scale was scrapped a few years ago in Oklahoma City . I was looking into its wherabouts and a niece of its builder told me that her aunt had it hauled to a scrap yard there. I went there looking for it and a crane operator talked with me in detail about it . He had personally loaded it into crushing and grinding machinery that destroyed it. So im sure some are gone forever as well. I am looking for a model of an early simple Advance that I saw here in Oklahoma in the early 70s several times it was a really good perfomer, I still have a tape of it barking under load but my pictures of it were al lost to fire years ago.
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I'm still trying to scrounge parts for a 1/3 size freescale. I've built the boiler (It's JUST under the size limit for ASME part PMB), found a cool cylinder assembly originally from a steam car (somebody cut a twin in half - only problem is I got the "backwards" half), and an old Gardner governor.

Now I need to find some wheels and gears. I'm thinking either binder drive wheels or wide face mower wheels would work in the rear (call me weird, but I sort of like the looks of adaptive re-use over outright fabrication). I found some super wide tiller wheels that I could use in the front to make a roller, or I might go for cast horse forecart wheels in the front like I used on my Oil Pull "pup" (depends on what turns up for the back). Anybody close got some useable parts in their scrap heap they want to part with cheap?

Unfortunately for me, the Mrs is talking that dreaded, dratted "D" word , so who knows how long the whole project might get back burnered if I don't get back to work on it soon.
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Terning did number his half scales, Ive owned #35 and #119 . At least I think number 119 was the last one... Tom would have built nearly six a year over approx.a twenty year time span. When he first started you could buy a turn key engine for 12,000, and when he built the last one around 18,500. He did an excellant job and really had a love for what he did. His wife and son also had a lot of time in putting those engines out their. Steam industries were selling theirs for 22,000 at one time. They bought Ternings patterns ect... It would be interesting to know who owns each one of these engines.
I spoke with Tom back in the late '70's and a turn-key 1/2 scale was $16k. There's one (plus a 1/4 scale and a 5" gauge Baldwin loco, all Terning) residing about a mile and a half from me here in Chandler AZ. :-)

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One last picture tonight,

Attached is a picture taken at the NTA in 1961 of a real nice model. I have no idea of who owned this model or what has happen to it since but thought it was a nice pic to post.

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I have a 1/6th scale Robert Bell traction engine. Its currently in the shop for overhaul. It was started by someone in the London Ont. Area so I was told. Who ever it was, they were a wiz at fabricating. It was passed on to someone who tried to finnish it but the quality was just not there. It went to a man named Inglis way up in Earlton Ont. Does anyone know some history on it?
Hi Steve,

Any chance the little Bell would be available to be part of the Port Huron feature at Wauseon next year?

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There is curently on Harry's Steam Ads a 1/2 scale Case for sale.
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Few more shots of my grandfather - Robert Smith - with his engine

1st one is during construction

2nd is 1954 - the first year he took it to Pontiac. My father is the one one the bunker with his brother Bob standing next to him

3rd is shot of grandpa in 1976?? when local newspaper ran an article of him and halfkecks grandfather and their love of steam. I will tyr and find the photo of the 2 together

Did you ever find that photo, and do you have the newspaper article?

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