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Old 05-15-2006, 08:47:48 AM
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Here's another one of the 28 hp at Rollag last fall, when on the prony brake.
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I have been enjoying reading about the larger American Abell engines and seeing pictures. I noticed in one post the photo of the bull gear (or was it the bull pinion) with that staggered tooth pattern. I wonder if anyone out there can comment as to whether that actually did allow for greater gear life when doing heavy traction work!

I would also like to know if any of the advertising literature that was published refers to the 32 as a "32-120?" I know that sometimes those larger numbers get tacked on in later years without actually being given by the companies. Is this "120" published along with their engine specifications in the catalogues. I don't have any of this literature in my library!
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Far as i know the 32 was built longer then that, long enough that the counter shaft went from like 4-3/4 to 5-1/4 in 1/4 increments, i figured from 09-13, thought they were sold as "the canadian advance line" after 12? I don't see why the front wheels would be any worse then any other engine, relitively the same ground psi, except that the both go into the same mudhole lol. any idea Why there made like that, other then they say more positive steering and no chains to break,,,
Hello Chad,
I believe the 28HP engines were only built in 1911-12. I made a mistake saying the 32's were only built in 1911-12. Sorry about that. My freind Clyde Hall has told me several times about how easily the 28 at Rollag steers so easily. I wonder how that 32 with front wheel extensions would steer?? Maybe the same way? Keep the great info and photos coming on the American-Abell engines and thank you Gary K. for posting those nice photos of Johns' 28 at Rollag
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Chad i bet you remember this day loading the freshly restored 32 to take over to the museum i fianlly came across the clip we saved from the western producer. (our large western canadian farm paper up here) dated june 5th 2003
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To Mr. Parker's question - I have quite a bit of Abell literature and correspondance and they always referred to the big compound as the 32 HP; not sure they ever used the 120 hp tag?
I have some correspondance of one that came into Alberta, bought new in 1910. They paid $3625 plus freight from Toronto to Strathmore. They say:
-it steered stiff at first but worked free very quickly.
-plowed with 10, 14" bottoms 4" deep in a hilly area with excellent results.
-staggered tooth bull gears takes the quiver out of the counter shaft and works fine.
-power feed pump works so good they take off steam pump.
-very light on fuel and water - plowed 2 miles and only used the coal that was in the chute(???).
I think these engines would have been an honour and a pleasure to operate. Abell made excellent products all round.
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Nice post G. Wilikers. I am very interested in how many engines American-Abell actually built. Any ideas???? Thanks.
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-very light on fuel and water - plowed 2 miles and only used the coal that was in the chute(???).
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Being a Southern boy, and used to small Southern fields, I can't imagine plowing for two miles!!!!!
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Mike,
It is exhillarating!
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Nice post G. Wilikers. I am very interested in how many engines American-Abell actually built. Any ideas???? Thanks.
Kevin
Kevin - It is hard to tell how many. Do you mean just 32s? Abell numbered their engines as they came off the shop floor so a 22 or a 26 or a 32 might have consecutive numbers. I have seen serial numbers in the 2230s and that is getting late on. Engine production ceased when Rumely took over about 1911(?). There aren't many of the big rear mounts left so maybe they only made a few dozens of each size -28 and 32? Maybe one of the guys with access to the big museums will have a better handle on serial numbers. Western Development has a fair number of Abells in different sizes. I will have to dig through some literature as their are plenty of testimonials on different 32s. John Abell made engines back in the early 1880s including cross compounds.
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Just a quick check of some 1911 literature shows testimonials for at least 7 seperate 32s. I see Chad has already shown some serial #s in an earlier post - 2117 is shown on the loading dock in Winnipeg, 2294 is at Reynolds-Alberta, 2298 is at WDM. Those last two must have been close to the end of the line.
32 was 9 and 13 x14; 28 was 10x14. Oh. I think Rumely actually took over in March 1912 (?). Serial #2244 was a 28.
Another testimonial from Alberta says they were pulling 12, 14" Cockshutt plows in wet conditions. They did a 2 mile run in 55 minutes and were plowing 42-48 acres per day! Another one mentions having 2 water siphons to take water on the fly.
Abell also built a 40 hp cross compound. This was a side mount with 11x12 and 15x12 cylinders!!!!!!! There may be one of these at Reynolds-Alberta? It had a conventional front axle. A lot of heavy iron sitting on top of that boiler!
There seem to have been more 26 hp Abells than anything. they were side mount but with heavy wheels for plowing - 10x11 simple. 22s were also popular on the Prairies - 9x11. 22s were called BOBS, 26 called DUNDONALD, 28 called BUSH, 32 called DRUMMOND. tHE 40 CC was called QUEEN. KING was a 30 simple with 11x12.
There was also a 28 side mount CC called WATT with 8 and 11 &1/2 x 10s. and a special 36hp rear mount with drum type drivers that could be loaded with water for ballast. This may have been called KENNASTON but not sure if CC or simple? They also were supposed to have built 3 double simples but don't have data on them?
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G you struck a bell when you metioned the 45 Able. i knew we had a news paper picture of one but i sort of forgot about it. so i went and unstapled it off the shop wall
i guess the caption shows up ok but i forgot to add it was in a 1978 western producer. the same paper Chad was in with the 32!
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Chad:

I hope you don't mind my adding some catalogue views to your thread, along with one vintage photo. This pic may also have come from a catalogue. These were sent to me my Rick Mannen. I will let someone else fill in the blanks.

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Chad:

Here is another pic I thought you might enjoy. This photo was taken in the mid ' 70's at a show near Kilworthy, Ont.. It is of my father running a 1/4 [+/-] scale Abell built by our friend the late Bill Currie of Collingwood, Ont.. Bill held a Alberta engineers license and ran a similar Abell on a threshing rig as a young man. He built this many decades later from memory. When Bill passed away, the model passed to their daughter I believe. It likely is now tucked away is some garage.

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Abell built two seperate lines of engines - one for Eastern Canada, the other with special straw burning firebox for Western Canada:
East:
portables:
12 hp - 7x10
14 hp - 7&1/4x10
16 hp - 8&1/4x10
26 hp - 10x11
25 hp - ? special center crank for saw mills, etc..
tractions:
14 hp - 7&1/4x10, 54x9 drivers
16 hp - 8&1/4x10, 60x12" drivers, 18hp boiler
18 hp - 8&1/2x10, 64x14" drivers, 20hp boiler
20 hp - 8&3/4x10, 64x16" drivers, 22hp boiler, named DUKE (re Royal Family)
22 hp - 6&1/2 and 10x10 CC, 64x16" drivers.

all have American-Abell Straight Line Balance Valve, Marsh Reverse, Woolf on compound. 1893, built a 45 hp CC fo export to Asia.

West:
built portables as above but with straw burning fireboxes, 14, 16, 18, 20 hp

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side mount:
16 hp - 8&1/4x10
18 hp - 8&1/2x10
20 hp - 8&3/4x10, may have been named DEWEY in honour of US President?
22 hp - 9x11, named BOBS for Lord Roberts, hero of Boer War. 72x20" drivers
26 hp - 10x11, named DUNDONALD after British Admiral
30 hp - 11x12, named KING after British Crown
22 hp - 6&1/2and10x10 CC, named "G" ???, 72x20" drivers
28 hp - 7&1/4and11&1/4x10 CC, named WATT, also shown as -
8and11&1/2X10
40 hp - 11and 15x12 CC, named QUEEN

rear mounts
28 hp - 10x14, named BUSH after VP of company.
32 hp - 9and13x14 CC, named DRUMMOND after plant manager

used Woolf valve gear, A-Abell Straight Line Balance Valve.

36 hp - ???? , named KENASTON after co. Pres., drum type water filled drivers.
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Back in the early 1970's James Robinson of Frobisher, Sask, wrote an article in the Iron-Men Album about the model American Abell's he built. I corresponded with him for a few years, as he'd tell me how he built these engines from scratch. He made his own patterns and poured them himself. Did his own machining with an old lathe, and various attachments he made, such as a gear cutter, milling attachments, etc.

The first photo is his first model, which is written on the back of the picture . . . this is my Old American Abell 28-80 3-inch, built 1922 - 24 was running.



Second photo: Written on back of picture: Morris Bakkee McLaggert Sask engine 16 in. dia. boiler.



Third Photo: Written on back of picture: 32-110 American Abell Model



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Were there ever concerns with the front end on the AA putting a twisting stress on the boiler shell? Such as when running on uneven ground, or side loads? It looks as though the ossilating axel of a wide front end would take that "twisting" stress away. Just wondered if that was ever a factor....
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That last model in Gary Ks post is neat where do all these modles hide now? there must only be a small fraction of them come out at shows anymore?
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I'd like to have that last model,, cool someone finaly got time to put on the gauge i found for the Abell
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Abell has the 3 ports on each side of the firebox for air for straw burning as mentioned in another thread. But there are a couple of smaller ports (maybe 1" rolled tubes?) on the sides that also go through the water legs and into the fire box. Anyone know what they are for?
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That last model in Gary Ks post is neat where do all these modles hide now? there must only be a small fraction of them come out at shows anymore?
I had forgotten about Mr Robinson. He was a good friend of Bill Winteringham of Estevan. He had built many engines.

One of his American Abel engines is kept at the museum at Austin Manitoba.

A corretction to one of the photos taken at Bakkee's should say McTaggert not McLaggert Sask.

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