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Fairbanks Morse Z (I think)


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Old 07-17-2019, 02:29:40 PM
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Default Fairbanks Morse Z (I think)

Picked this up today.

22" Flywheels, 4 12" diameter piston. If it is a Fairbanks then the serial number (205896) says it's 1916.

It's got a repair to the cylinder head and has a non standard magneto. Can anyone conform the model and HP please.











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Old 07-17-2019, 03:14:14 PM
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse Z (I think)

That looks like a 3 hp "Z" with a factory sparkplug confersion. Not sure about the mag though. skip
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Old 07-17-2019, 03:26:48 PM
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I think the magneto and oiler have much more value than the rest of the engine. Db.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse Z (I think)

What's your serial number? Top of the hopper and perhaps end of the crankshaft.
Guys, is that about an '18 or so? Numbers will tell.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse Z (I think)

Duey check his top post, I think it's listed. Can anyone make out the last name on the mag tag? Thompson ?
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Can anyone make out the last name on the mag tag? Thompson ?
Thomson-Bennett
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That looks like a 3 hp "Z" with a factory sparkplug confersion. Not sure about the mag though. skip
I agree that it is a 3hp Fairbanks Morse Z, however I disagree that it is a factory conversion. The spark plug adapter appears to be a farm fix. It looks like the original low tension Sumpter gear has been adapted to the high tension mag.
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Duh, thank you. Busy on the brain and stopped in.
1916! Cool.
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Is the mag hot? (Have Spark)
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Thomson-Bennett
The 'Crow's foot' stamp that can be seen indicates that it was used my the military.

Below is some info on Thomson-Bennett Ltd Birmingham, England I found:

‘904 J. A. Thomson met Peter Bennett, then manager of the Electric Ignition Company of Birmingham.
1907 with Thomson's backing, Bennett set up Thomson-Bennett Ltd to manufacture products similar to those of EIC. Thomson-Bennett began making magnetos for specialized purposes; at that time, the German company Bosch had a virtual monopoly of the car magneto market.
When the first World War broke out Thomson-Bennett's expertise as manufacturers of magnetos was key to development of British supplies essential for mechanized transport and aircraft.
1914 Thomson-Bennett had c.100 employees when it was acquired by Joseph Lucas Ltd, particularly for their magneto expertise.
1920 issued catalogue of magnetos.
Peter Bennett became joint managing director of Lucas.’
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Is the mag hot? (Have Spark)
Yes, a good spark, checked it today
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse Z (I think)

To bring this back to life it's going to need everything on the working side, carberetta (damaged in a couple of areas) all pushrods (exhaust valve, carb pump lever), gouvoner (exessive wear).

It will also need a new fuel tank and exhaust silencer.

The cylinder head has a patch which looks like it has never leaked since repair so I may get away without replacing it but the cylinder head / cylinder mating surfaces are very badly pitted by rust so a good seal may be difficult.

The crank bearings are OK as is the piston, and I can re-use the valves, valve rocker & HT mag.

Are spares readly available for this engine (US or UK)?
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Photo Re: Fairbanks Morse Z model B plugocillator

That's a 3hp plugocillator. I have this engine, mine is a 1918. This one was converted to sparkplug high tension magneto. Originally it can with a sumpter number 14 low tension magneto and points igniter.
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