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Old 12-19-2018, 11:26:10 AM
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That probably isn't just an Idler pulley. Check to see if there is a clutching mechanism on the crankshaft. I'll bet there isn't one.
If so, the treadle would be attached to the "idler mechanism" and used to engage the line shaft driven belt to the crankshaft. The belting system would be designed to slip as needed to control hammer speed.
Other manufactures used that process too. I think Star and Novelty (for sure), for two.
I seem to remember even seeing a much larger, later Dupont? hammer that used that slipping belt process, but the whole "speed control" mechanism was built into castings above, but part of the hammer.

There's a book, "Pounding out the Profits" by Douglas Freund that describes a wide variety of these devices which are called, variously "triphammers" or "power hammers."
I can't find my copy right now or I'd look it up. Cheapest copy of the book that I saw today was about $50.00.

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Old 12-19-2018, 11:51:17 AM
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For those of us used to an on-off button, “clutching mechanisms and slipwheels and transmissions (with neutral)” on old machines are amazing.
I knew they wouldn’t stop and start the entire lineshaft, but had little idea how they isolated operation on each machine.
My belt-drive KR Wilson line bore machine has a slipwheel next to the drive wheel, for example.
When the clutching mechanisms for a ceiling-mounted lineshaft come up for sale I’m floored at how much they want. Approaching my entire investment, to date!
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:21:42 PM
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Hi! I'm a lifelong mechanic and International Harvester truck collector who has stumbled onto your site. I live in Central California, south of Fresno. Old stuff is still spilling out of hiding places, here. It's wonderful!
About two years ago I jumped in with both feet into the world of lineshafts and ancient machine tools. I found out pretty quickly that the old machines are easier to find then the antique lineshafts, hangers and pulleys.
I am a complete newcomer to setting up and machining with 100 year old tools. Any help is very welcome. I've put up lineshafts in my shop but for now they are just for display. Thank goodness most old machines got converted to electric motors long ago. I want to use them ASAP.
I do have a very specific skill: I've done automotive and light truck emissions testing and repair for 30 years. Don't hesitate to ask me a smog question if you have one.
Thanks, Monsonmotors
Congrats on getting the bug to save this rapidly disappearing stuff.
You're near Jake Agius, who also seriously pursues such treasures.
If you want, I can send you his contact info.
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:30:15 PM
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Yes, please!
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Old 12-20-2018, 05:11:02 PM
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Converted flat-belt drive band saw left outside to rot near my business. The building next to it has been a country cabinet shop, forever.
I have this band saw in my sights. I have to watch out for flying bullets when I go to ask about it because this is marijuana grow country. They don’t like strangers.
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Old 12-23-2018, 12:53:52 PM
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Antique Little Giant Power Hammer coming home, soon.
Again, I was lucky enough to find out WHERE it originally came from. Turns out this one came from the long-defunct Pauley Blacksmith shop in Orange Cove, CA. Orange Cove is a small agricultural town on the east side of the San Joaquin Valley, about 15 minutes from my house. I feel great that I’m saving and relaying history as well as getting an operational power hammer. One with some parts availability, too!
I will place a cardboard placard on it so anyone looking at it will be able to add to the story of the tool, if they are able.
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Old 12-23-2018, 01:38:48 PM
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As much as I admire restorations I am a “patina man”. I was lucky enough to procure this wonderfully-patina’d antique table and post vice from the same local, generous source.
I’ve got an antique iron under the peg while I mount it. I’ll find something more permanent, later.
This vice will get used!
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Old 01-16-2019, 04:58:01 PM
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I just wanted to say here that I’ve had some bad experiences with shippers, shipping and USPS regarding this old stuff:
Two packages missing in about 10 days misdelivered by USPS? They deny any culpability but their letter mail is also a mess! I get everyone’s mail but mine?
YRC Freight likes to quote and collect and then send a “auxiliary bill”. You have no choice but to pay it.
YRC lost a big shipment for weeks but the Bill of Lading was missing..I finally tracked it down...they still wanted to charge me extra...
I’ve had very particular sellers on EBay refuse to strap a object to a pallet. Or box for FedEx. What do you do?
FedEx has broken two of my rare lineshaft hangers but the packaging was lame.
Overall, I’d suggest some stout packaging if you are shipping cast iron stuff.
My “shipping honeymoon” is over.
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:44:23 PM
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Don,
As a flatbed'er I see all kinds of freight that isn't packaged well. Most places that ship all the time, do a good job.
I've had to tell some to take it off and package it correctly. One refused, and I had to start the truck and threaten to dump it all in their yard! I hadn't signed the bills and didn't strap it down 'cause I wasn't going to haul it the way it was packaged.
Most E bay sellers don't have any idea what it takes to ship properly.
One thing I see a lot is stuff wrapped with industrial "saran wrap" to the pallet, fine for a van, but worthless on a flatbed. No way to strap down a bunch of loose bolts wrapped to a pallet. Anything wrapped like that will not last 50 miles on a open deck trailer! If it is on a pallet, it needs to be banded with AAR banding, to the pallet.
I once shipped 2 old rims and used #9 fence wire to band them to the pallet, it worked well but was expensive to ship.
I purchased 3 used "Jake brake" heads for a Cummins when I got the box I knew it was going to be bad, 5 of the 6 slave pistons had snapped off!, seller tried to blame the carrier, but I had a picture of the box and the rating on the cardboard, which was no where near heavy enough for the 60+ lbs of cast iron, and he had stacked the heads with nothing inbetween!
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:04:30 PM
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Hi, CB!
Here’s the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I’ve been told that this wall-mounted lineshaft is a rare piece. It probably brought line shaft power (and a clutch) to a bench-mounted drill press. My local big collector friends say it’s rare. I’ve never seen another in two years of looking. I was heartbroken to see the long hangers broken in a wimpy cardboard box. I think the disassembled pieces hammered them. Just some terrible packaging that the seller refused to own up to.
I have not received a dime because I only sent back the broken pieces. I intend to build another from similar hangers I bought later.
Just a mess...
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I got this Champion no. 203 drill press as partial payment for most of a 1936 IHC C-1 Pickup. Looks to be bolted to a piece of I beam welded to a huge gear from a ship for a base.
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Hello Monson Motors. Nikkinutshop here.
I suppose I should post some pictures of the old machines I bought since the last time I heard from you. LIke you said, " these old machines area out ther and pop up every now and then. Take care.
You probably know the "other" forum has crashed, again.
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Hey, Nikki!
Too bad about OldIhc. I’m sure it will rise, again.
Post all the pictures of old machines here you want!
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