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Old 06-08-2019, 08:59:16 PM
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A couple days ago an old fellow stopped by for a visit. He said back in the 30s and 40s he was a tractor mechanic and worked on lots of rumleys. He said in later years when distlate was getting harder to get and they were mostly using straight gasoline in them they drained the cooling oil and run water and antifreeze in them
. He said they run a bit cooler for the gas. Anyone ever hear of this.
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Bet that was one interesting old fellow to talk to!
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Yes he was Mike. He is about 90 years old.
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That's not a good recipe for radiator panel longevity...…
They ran a darn sight hotter back when they were maxed out plowing and whatnot.
Why fix something that isn't broken?...…..
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I've seen cracked & brazed heads and rusted out radiators from this.
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I've seen cracked & brazed heads and rusted out radiators from this.
The bottom of those rad sections only drain down to the bottom connection so that water stays there even if you drain it if you then put oil in it the water is there for ever under the oil the only remedy is take the rad off and turn it upside down and let it drain out the vent holes on the heavy weights. On the light weights there are no vent holes you would need to study it.
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I can see rusted out rad sections from straight water. The man said he would put antifreeze in them also so I can't see them having problem with that.
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I bet they weren't worrying too much about rusting out the bottom of the radiator. Getting another plowing season or two out of it was probably the greatest concern.
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Unless he puts a cooling fan on the radiator it will still run too hot for water. Even tho the sections are galvanized sheet metal, they will still rust out after a very few years. There is a Model X at a well known show that had water used for years, the radiator is destroyed and the only way they could keep water in was to keep it loaded with a home made gunk in the system that was similar to flowable saw dust. Also the head and block had deformed bulges from it not draining good and freezing. Basically it has no cooling system useable any more. We run our Oil Pull's on regular gas and use 10 wt oil in the cooling system and get along fine. I think that they only resorted to the water cooling was as a last resort to keep running rather than spend money on a unit that was on it's last go.
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While the Rumelys were certainly designed and intended to be run with oil in the cooling, I found it odd when I read in the early manuals that they did say you could use water in them! I discovered this when researching to find out what the holes threaded with 1/4 NPT on each bearing on the oil pump on our F Rumely were for. They looked like grease fittings, but why would you need grease fittings on an oil pump? The manual said they were for lubricating the bearings of the pump if you decided to use water in your radiator!
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I’m thinking that the old guy was a prairie mechanic in the ‘30’s so he’d likely be dealing with next to 0 money. Scrounging to find enough money to buy fuel would be tough enough so if the Rumely needed cooling oil and it couldn’t be bought or just wasn’t available the next choice would be water. Just like the ones that ran salt water in their rads back then, it got them by but destroyed things too. Depending on the area the words tough or hard didn’t come close to describing the times from that period. It was use what you could, survive and wait for it to get better. That’s another reason steam lasted as long as it did, water and fuel to burn was cheaper than fuel for a tractor.
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David,
Some of the old tractors we find are well past being worn out, but they cobbled things together hoping they would make one more threshing season. Sometimes they made several more.
I placed pics on the steam page a few years back of a farmer west of Saskatoon who put his old Reeves ploughing engine back in steam to do the spring planting. It was in the 1930s and they had no money for gas for the IH tractors!
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When in a pinch, you do what you have to and that's exactly what they did in those days. I remember reading the story of some newly graduated HS boys in the mid 20's. They decided they wanted to take a trip to California (from their home in Indiana) as their graduation trip. One of them had a 1913 Model T so they headed west. They got to Arizona and it got dark. The T had carbide lights so they needed water. None could be had for several miles in the part of the dry southwest they were in. So each took a turn taking a leak in the carbide tank. The author of the story, who happened to be one of the boys, said "it worked, but boy was that light yellow looking and the odor from the headlights made them all sick". He also told how they had a rod bearing go out and the had no way of fixing it. So, one of the boys suggested they cut the tongue out of a shoe and put in rod. It worked. However, by the time they got home 3 of the boys had shoes with no tongues!
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