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In the above posts, when I said "they" made a line of plows, tillage equipment, animal-intestinal-expulsion-distributers, etc., I meant OTACO made them. Tudhope went way back and made a lot of machinery. They made a very nice automobile in the 19-teens. I expect they simply picked up the Long tractor to have a full sized tractor in their catalogue as they were still making car-tractor conversion kits into the 50s. The company was still around into modern times making auto parts (seats maybe?) for the bigger companies.
As for Long stuff, I recall seeing one or two Long tractors here at shows but have not seen one lately. It couldn't have been a big seller for OTACO judging by the scarcity around here? I don't recall seeing any other Long equipment.
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RAE Vices and Tools made in Hamilton Ontario were sold thru OTACO later on.John

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Here are a couple of pictures of #18 pulling the binder. #36 is not running . . . yet. There is no sweeter sound than that binder clicking 'em off every 1 1/2 seconds. But when it stops tying . . .
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Did the language get, um, descriptive? I hope innocent little SJ didn't hear that!
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Aybody have an educated guess as to how many wide fronts made? If only 500 were made 1/2 maybe wide front? If more were sold in US possibly 4/5 wide?
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I'd say probably at most 1 wide front in every 5 that were built. At least that's my guess from the ones I've seen here in the states. Did you ever get a picture of the Long that you were talking about in this thread?
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"A" LONG load arrived tonight. One on front has 2 speed tranny. Went to pickup the complete one and ended up with two! Second is a carcass that originally the front end fell off and caused excessive damage. Owner had bought 2 wide front Long A's. Need someone to decipher serial numbers. Complete one is 4995290 and 2565. Second is 4903194 and 2428. Suspect last set of digits is options code. Both manifolds have Silver King cast into them. Maybe motor was built for Silver King and sold by Continental. I know motor number is different than Massey or Cockshutt by one.



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Thanks for the pictures! Great find, very jealous!! In time hopefully the second one can be made complete. I take it the engines are F162? Do the manifolds say model 42 on the intake part below the word "Silver King"?

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Jebaroni probably can answer your questions on the serial numbers! I too am interested in knowing more about that.
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Checked out both a little closer. What I call the parts one has MH manifold.(MH 30) Possible motor changed? JFred you are right as both tags say F162. I had a Cockshutt 30 (EF3) years ago and it had the creeper gear. Did Timken make the option? Was the Cockshutt 30 not live pto? I know you guys like pictures.




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I know that the Timken rear end, transmission, and front/rear wheels were used on several tractors, including the Cockshutts and Sheppard Diesels as well as the Longs. The continental F162 engine was also VERY commonly used on everything from irrigation pumps, forklifts, and stationary power units.

Regarding serial numbers, what I seem to recall was that the first 2 digits were the year the tractor was made (1948 or 1949). Somewhere I got the idea that the next 2 digits were the month, and then any remaining digits were the actual serial number. So a tractor with the number 48114 (48_11_4) was serial number 4, built in November of 1948. 48_12_20 was Serial number 20. The number 4995290 doesn't seem to fall into that scheme unless the "9" is really a "0" but it would be the 290th tractor built. Likewise, 4903194 would be the 194th tractor built in March of 1949. Again, this is what I was lead to believe and "4995290" is the first serial number that i've come across that doesn't fit this layout.

As for the second set of numbers, i have no idea what those were intended to represent. Serial number 4 had the number "678" for that portion.

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Also, there were 2 different frame designs. The early style used channel iron on either side of the engine with 6 bolts front and rear. The later design had 4 bolts up front and a flange mount to attach it to the transmission bell housing. I heard that the Longs were designed to be compatible with John Deere "A" front-mounted drive-in cultivators in case anybody was wondering.
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Thanks Jeb. Rechecked serial and it is 4905299 making it # 299. If there was roughly 500 made majority were made in 1949? What options were available? Was the creeper gear one?
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The only options that I was aware of were the 3 different front ends: Single wheel, dual wheel narrow, and wide front. I have not heard of one with a different transmission ratio until now. You are correct that most all of these were built in 1949. I have not seen confirmation of any built in 1950, but I won't say that didn't happen.
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If you look in second picture there is a lever above the belt pulley. Accoording to my Cockshutt 30 manual this is shifter for creeper gear. The parts tractor doesn't have the shifter.
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Somewhere around here I have a bit of info on the Long, Model A - I'll see if I can find it another day.
They were sold, in Ontario at least, by OTACO out of Orillia. That was formerly Tudhope-Anderson Co. and they used to have branch offices in Western Canada and sold the Emerson-Brantingham line. They also made automobiles in Orillia and assorted farm equipment.
OTACO was better known for the TACO kits to convert your old car, Model A Ford or whatever, to a tractor. They sold thousands of those kits.
They picked up the Long as a "real" tractor in the early 50's and I have seen it painted up as an OTACO tractor. I seem to remember it was a 30 hp tractor with Continental 162 ci motor?
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there was one in Leduc alberta on sunday and it was for sale it was restored
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Was the Long a wide front? What was the fellow asking? Did you happen to get any pictures? I have got wind of another in central Sask. that was also restored.
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Motor had been soaking since it was hauled home. Motor was still stuck. Motor is now out and apart. Pulled the pistons and found motor has been bored to 30 over. Motor in good shape. Will need set of rings. Also will install new valves and guides.
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Just to update. Motor has been put back together after having a real hassle with rings. Guides and valves went in smoothly. Pistons were 30 over and has to find 3 -1/8 rings and a 1/4 oil scraper per hole. Found ring sets but not even close to what was required. Spent hours sizing and filing to make cheap(supposedly Continental) rings work. Motor will be back in tomorrow if everything clicks.
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Motor has install now working on periphals. Had to rebuild distributor as weights had seized. Distibutor now in place and timed. Need a picture of dash setup. Need to know what type of switch was used for ignition and what brand of gauges was used.
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What I seem to recall was that the ignition switch was just a 2-position Cole-Hersey switch, common to what was found on other tractors at the time, with a push-button for the starter. Guages are anyone's guess as to original manufacturer, but they are a common size/style available at your local Tractor Supply or NAPA.
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Was there any pars or operator manuals ever made? Would be nice to get picture of actual cluster.
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I have a reproduction of an original owners/operators manual, which was a copy of an original manual that Long Manufacturing happened to have tucked away somewhere. There was also a manual created for the front-mounted cultivator, but I have never seen or heard of a surviving copy.

Neat thing about the owner's manual was that it contains a wire harness diagram with the wire color, LENGTH, as well as where the wire went (very handy for recreating an original harness). I'll see if I can dig it out and get some images.
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