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These are the only images that I have of the operator station on 2 of the tractors I worked on. Toggle switch between the upper 2 gauges for the headlights. Bottom row was (if I remember correctly) Left=push-button starter switch, Center=choke, Right=on/off switch. I don't think the push-pull version of the on/off switch shown in one of the images was correct.
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I will take a couple of pictures of existimg gauge sets from both Longs. I would think there is ignition,lights switches,choke and instrument light missing.
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Found top center is pull switch for lights. Bottom middle hole is choke. There may have been no intrument light. What color would gauges be?





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Knowing the Long's and how they did business, all my money is on "whatever was the cheapest available", which means black face with chrome bezel trim ring. I'm having trouble locating my reproduction owner's manual as it is likely packed up in a box in the attic at the moment.

You are correct that i've never seen anything resembling an instrument light or illuminated gauges.
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My Long has only throttle lever on right. Pictures show two. Cultivator lift of some sort? I suspect lights were an add on. Mine are different than yours. This is probably why no instrument light. Also kinda crude the way wire is wrapped around tube. Was there a fuse in the instrument cluster? Would your book show options like creeper gear?





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Working on Long again. Have spark and fuel. Will probably fire up tororrow. Anyone know who made the front axle? I will need some steering components.
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Just an update. Found keyswitch in bottom of toolbox. Must have used a key not a basic switch. Frontend has no casting numbers so suspect made by Long itself.
Wasn't ready, just turning over slowly and it fired right up. Had no rad or fan.
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Spent some time on Long today. It really runs well. May have to redo waterpump as it leaks. Have to do all wiring and decide whether to stay with 6v system. Will move battery under gas tank where it is supposed to be. Have leak on steering gearbox on top. It runs and drive good. Just have to put on new front tires. Attached is pictures of Long without tinwork.





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To my knowledge, there was no fuse or instrument panel light. The was only the 3 gauges, a key switch, a headlight on/off switch, and the choke cable. The second lever next to the throttle would have been the up/down control for the optional hydraulic lift. I do believe that the front bolster casting was something unique to Long.
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Found nice set of gauges in a Cockshutt combine as well as keyswitch,choke cable and starter button. All in mint condition because of the cab.Voltage shouldn't matter. Had to weld bottom of rad cast inlet back together. These Continental water pumps are a mystery. Blocks of F162/163 are the same? Why so many different water pumps? Only one outlet is required. Both my Longs have different waterpumps and both are bad.

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Found a fellow in Texas that has original Long A manual.(dirty) Suspect quite a few Long's were sold in Canada probably all wide fronts. This was post war and we were short of tractors. By 1948 most manufacturors had overproduced to fufill market. Probably caused the demise of alot of companies. Gibson,Rockall,Graham,Leader, etc.
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Went to put new tires on front and one rim is rusty but I could repair. Any other make use a 16 inch 5 bolt rim? I have lots of rims but no 5 bolt.
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Allis Chalmers used a 16in. 5 bolt rim. Also Massey Harris, Cockshutt and many others used the same rims.
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Cockshutt 20,30.40 use a 6 bolt rim. Have a parts Massey 101 Sr but rims are all welds. Have to check Allis. They are not common in this area.
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Attached is picture of rim off Long. Has a 5.25 x 16 tire other.




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Looks the same as the front wheel from a WC Allis.
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Gary F-162 and 163 blocks are not alike. One reason there are so many water pumps is because of all the variations in the front of the engines as used on fork lifts.
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From what I have read no one really knows difference between the two motors. Maybe enlighten us. The Continental was used in so many applications from welders to forklifts to Massey combines,Massey tractors.Cockshutt 540, and the rest of the orphan tractors.



I got one today and will be installed tomorrow.
Far as rim nothing but a deadend. I welded with torch last night came out good. Will have to do until I find another. Kinda tells me Long made there own front end but hubs had to come from some company. Will find some #'s ?
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Gary: The big difference between the F-162 & the F -163 is the main bearing & crankshaft set up. The F-163 does not have the thrust bearing on the front main and then crankshaft end play is controlled with the bronze washer and shims. The F-163 uses a full flange type thrust bearing located on number 3 main. To make these changes the block also had to be redesigned and that also changed the position of the oil pump and distributor drive. So that also changed the position of the distributor drive in the head. Therefore blocks, crankshafts & heads will not interchange between the 2 engines. I need to check on this but I think I had some printed material where you can only bore the F-163 to 40 where the 162 you could go larger.
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So basically you can identify 163 motor just by looking at location of distributor. Does distributor sit forward or back of 162? 162 sit right in center.

Got info that S Case may have same front rims. Long back together for now. I now know how crammed in everthing is! Not easy to work on. Ran good until I added coolant. There was more leaks than I have ever seen on a motor. Had to replace a porous bottom rad snorkel. I used a TC KTA which is a little longer. Thermostat housing had to be ground down again. Top tank on rad has a small hole to repair. Had too much pressure with new waterpump and thermostat. Drilled hole in new thermostat realizing it was not a pressurized system. But have new tires and fully mobile. Was not a good day!
Wanted to get inside as out temps have dropped below freezing during the day.
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I believe the Allis WC wheel would fit but would not have the same design pattern around the lug bolt holes. Being that it is such a rare tractor I would think you might want to have the correct one. You can buy new blank outer rims from Miller Tire Co. and rivet the original wheel centers to the new blank rims. Very easy to do. Good Luck!
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