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Have all winter to look for rim or build one. Now has new tire for now. Motor now runs good with no leaks with antifreeze. Lately it needed it! Steering is poor. Seems very had on the wheel. Gearbox on top of frontend good. It is a strange setup. Found I have a bent spindle or shaft. Will have to tear frontend apart and measure spindle angle to good one. Hopefully will be able to press back or may have to cut and reweld.
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Spent some time on frontend. Pulled off spindle and kingpin setup. Used press to straighten bent kingpin. Press a little sluggish as it sits outside because it is too big. Hydraulic oil a little thick in 10 F!
Installed new bushings and had to order set for other side.

Need to source bearings on bottom of kingpin. It uses a flat ball bearing ring between two washers with grooves. I am not sure what they are called. Need 1 3/16 ID and 2 Inch OD. I have seen the same bearings used on caster wheels and gearboxes. Any ideas where to source?
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Project been on hold sourcing kingpin thrust bearings. Finally got some out of CA. Aetna makes the original bearing. New on box is says keep out of dirt and moisture. Kinda tough on a kingpin with no seals! And of course most tractors are never used in dirt and wet conditions. Pictured is old and new bearings. Notice the pits or indentations in the bad bearing. The balls had made their own holes,and this was the good bearing. Should make real difference in steering as weight of front end sits on these two bearings.

NOTE: Since getting interested in Long A's,I have located 4 more. Two wide front,one row crop and one single wheeled model! They are out there.Click image for larger version

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Glad you found some! Was the place called "Locate Ball Bearings" by any chance? You might post the replacement part number if you don't mind. I don't have a Long but might help someone else.
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Locate Ball Bearing was the company. Only ones that had them in stock. Aetna F12 was original number. Sure makes a difference in steering. Wheels can be turned fairly easily without moving.
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Finall had some time to spend on Long. Doing rewiring and lights. Would anyone know if thhey are positive ground originally?
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Having a battle with charging system. Both generators are shot. Any ideas on what was original on F162 Continental?
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Got charging system working properly. Used complete setup off Massey 27 combine. Changed seals on rear axles. Making up brake pads for external shoes. Also replaced brake shaft seals to prevent any leaks. Now starts and runs good as all gauges and lights work. Redid sloppy hitch with new bolts.
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Decided to try to paint Long, This is my first attempt at any kind of painting. Have poor lighting in old shop so triyng in sunlight.(Can't see like I used to) Nice day with little wind and no bugs. Metal is actually very good except fenders are badly rippled.








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More progress.





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More pictures after reassembly and first coat. Will do another coat this week and will have fenders finished. They were really rough. Decals will arrive in a couple of days. Don't laugh as this was my first attempt at painting.






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I don't see anything to laugh about. There's something to be said for doin it yourself. No sense of accomplishment in someone else paintin YOUR tractor. Looks FINE!
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Old 08-12-2015, 03:25:55 PM
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looking good
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Since challenging this project I ended up do some more research on the Long Model A. Production numbers around 300 total. Approx 200 or more were row crop versions. Remainder were wide fronts. No records of any single front wheel models. My Long is highest in recorded serial numbers at 290. Registry shows 35 Longs in collectors hands. Majority of wide fronts were shipped to Canada. Creeper gear same as Cockshutt 30 models was an option as there is at least one other than mine that has option.
Most people see on and think it is a Farmall. Tin is similar but. Gas tank is shorter and spout is in different location. Hood is close but where raised portion for steering rod is shorter. Grill is close but bars wider and no round holes. Steering support pedestal is Long's own version. Seat similar to Massey except base is shorter.Steel plate operator deck unique to Long. Appears like most components were modified slightly as probably not to infringe on patents. I was quite lucky on mine as all Long components were with tractors when I got them.
With help of fellow Stakkers, parts sourced out of Alberta, Ca.Tx and Pa project near complete. What would we do without the internet?
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I had a parts tractor that carried serial number 4905299, so built in may of 1949, serial number 299. I can't remember if I had seen any that were higher than that, but I thought that there were some in the upper 300's range. Cockshutt fenders will fit, if I recall correctly since the rear ends were the same. I never could get the throttle to work very well on the one I had that was driveable...seemed like it made large jumps in engine speed rather than small changes as you would expect. Then again, that was on tractor serial number 20, so maybe some of that changed with later versions (although I doubt it knowing how Long conducted much of their business).

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Finally got painting done and added decals. Just have to get fenders finished.


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Found a good set of Cockshutt 30 fenders. Went to prep them and found out dimensions are different. Cockshutt fenders are 2 inches higher and 1 inch wider at base. Long had to make their own .Have to repair originals.
Did any Long A's have LPTO? Most Cockshutt 30's did. Mine isn't live.
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Looky great Gary,

Nice work.

Dit not knew you worket on this wonderful project.

We are not working on the tractors at the moment here because it is to busy in the field.

There is an tinworker coming over in an coople of weeks with help for the doors.


Keep in touch,


Best wishes,


Chris,
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Two Long A's sold at Aumman auction last weekend. One bought 13,500 and other 17,000$. Sure makes a guy think!
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Better get the fenders done for the next auction! LOL!
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