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Twin City Small Tractors. "On a WHIM"


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Default Re: Twin City small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

Hahaha! The Grey Twin will be babbling again in these heavy earthed woods with a variety of trees instead of Jack Pines and sand Adam.
Couldn't help poking fun!
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On the platform standing
What a view!
I need to adjust the spring
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I needed to hold the starting crank thus today for re-adjusting the pin for the ratchet.
I was on foot and used what I had for awhile. Some of the pesky vines.
Two wood plugs in the case cover. Any guesses?
Old tractor porn. Crap picture.
Ain't gonna show the Baby Twin's look under the 16 valve valve cover. Uff da. In a good way.
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Default Re: Twin City small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

As far as I recall the oil pan weight is between. "Oh i have this" and "oh crap oh crap don't got it". Now I use a floor jack to assist! As long as your happy I'm happy...

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If your pulling pan with engine still in best to have help. Quite heavy and cumbersome to lower and or play Jenga and put back up with new gaskets and felts. Unless the ER is a fun place to hang out. Not to mention jack support allows pan to be held up so it doesn't break free and fall before all bolts are out and something tweaks and snaps. Pan or you!
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Default Re: Twin City small Tractors. "On a WHIM"

Agreed, the oil pan on the 17-28 surprised me, I didn't think anyone made a pan heavier than a 15-30 McCormick- Deering. My FTA evidently has a pin needing replaced on the shift fork, I have found that I need to make sure it slid front to back in neutral for sure every time and sometimes when we plowed it would come out of low gear. One time in particular the former owner told me it rolled a little when he was belt starting it. Hopefully this winter I can thrash that over a bit. Also would sure like to rework the pin holes in the clutch plate.
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Hahaha! That's pretty funny Adam! But your right. Yes. Happy.
Russ, one of my next steps will be to look over the transmission and what-not.
Thanks for the heads-up to look over the pins real close.
I pulled the pan with the engine on the Grey Twin and put it all back together on a stand. No memory of how heavy anything was except the crankshaft...
I wonder how on earth I lifted it out and back into the chassis, the hole in the ceiling? An 8 foot ceiling. A four foot 4x4 probly still lays up in the rafters. Funny I didn't get hurt or break something.
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Off Topic sort of.
A couple of quiet reflection pics late, late Saturday evening.
Someone dropped this off in our building several years ago now. After a question about it, I said "No, we're NOT throwing this in the boiler".
After some time that night, a good friend showed up and then his wife found him, we 3 visited some more and off they went into the night.
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My God what a gorgeous Corliss engine! I would like to encourage you to post some pics and info on the steamers forum about it. You have any other steam engines?

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Yeah don't throw that in the boiler. Love to have and sure others as well.
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Oh man, that was quick Adam and Mike.
I keep that old MM box full of "old junk" on my old 1000lb Fairbanks scale now so it hopefully won't walk away and try best to be in the building every single moment after 5:00 if we leave it open.
Yet, we had a very very very minor jump-rope theft incident late Saturday afternoon that shocked all 3 of us, sitting right there having a drink and visiting. Just 25 feet away.
I called them out on it but they were completely oblivious to the call-out to their theft. He, with boards under his arm and her with the jump-rope in her hand.
Lots of people walk thru during the evening... Even had a pair of very young couples early, one couple had a VERY new baby out at the show :-), after awhile I found the young ladies at our bench on the "bar" stools, mom feeding baby under a blanky with a fan right close to her head. I told those young ladies "Turn those fans right on you! Start the other fan too!" I walked out for refreshments and as I walked back in they had both fans running ON them and I just smiled, nodded my head and sat down with my friends.
Mike, I just may do that over on the steam forum.

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Damn it was HOT!!!!
For the 1st time in 20 some years, Duey missed Sunday doing the parade! Absolutely unheard of!! I was sick in the head and body bad. Coming back still after take-down today.
Our small crew went thru 34 bottles of COLD water Saturday I had brought.
Everyone looked like crap today.

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Sunday morning as I woke, I had a text waiting about a "...we have no water" situation at home. I replied "I'll be home soon" and left after telling a friend we have no water, guess where I'm going...
THAT was an interesting hour drive. The severe bottom of psycho, then at home the extreme high of psycho. Very high. Then it fell apart. Bad.
I prob'ly would fallen apart at the show.
I still ain't nearly right.
Please keep you and your friends cool when it's hot.

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I think some of the copper float balls I keep in the MM box have been "taken" lately.
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Default Back to putzing on Old #2 a bit.

Funny the things we all talk about. Maw stopped at the bottom of the hill tonight and asked something about this 21-32 I was putzing with. I told her the engine's loose and has some compression...loosen the carb, put a mag on, clean the pan out , fresh oil... and it'll run. She mentioned us having races around the property like we've been threatening and joking about for a few years, making a race/cruise trail etc etc. I mentioned I should show her pics of a certain '37? ZTS that's only so big, has fenders, is painted up and ready to go. She says NO!...with a smile on her face... I agreed and said not right now but she knows me and I do what I want sometimes! I'll wear her down for a "spinner" of her own.
I wonder if she'd admit to anyone I gave her a Twin City tractor for a Birthday, Adversary Day or Christmas? Hmmm. Maybe! Never thought about that angle and we'll have another 2-1/4 acres (same size next door) of swamp-front, heavy earth, hill and trees to play with on Friday.

I'm trying to see if the steering shaft will come out/loosen the steering. Just a practice run of sorts for later as something is bound up tight and to see if the steering can be righted before the trip up the hill as it steers slightly to the left..
I don't think that's going to happen so, as suggested, I'll remove the drag link from the front spindle arm and use the chain to help with steering on the way up.
We know the collar on the sector shaft might be out of place/the cotter there may be missing/sheared or who knows what as there's excessive end play in the sector also.
Must the steering column rotate freely around the steering shaft for the shaft and column to be "screwed" out?
I loosened the setscrew and rotated the assy to the left. I get about a 1/4 of a turn and its jammed up. The column is stuck fast to the steering shaft for the moment.
I pulled the column bracket bolts out after loosening them and blowing out the bores in the bracket. Don't need anything more to get into the oil.
1. Extreme left turn of the column/shaft assy.
2. After turning this assy. the bolts don't line up anymore when back to "normal" so I put some Gorilla tape over the holes if it rains tonight.
Thoughts Please?
A couple of pics for fun. This tractor had been ignored a long time before the previous owner, then Adam and then I got ahold of it. Oh ya, parked due to steering issues.
Funny. If I use the "turn the camera around on me" feature on this dumb phone, the pics must be rotated anti-clockwise.
I'm still glad it's back in Minnesota.
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I think I answered my own question. I read the book's description on removal of the column for the 23rd time then zoomed the drawing WAY in.
Now I see the fine threads on the column's lower bushing housing. I mean the FT-238 adjusting plug for steering worm/adjusting bearing for steering worm. It uses (2) 1/2 X 1-1/2 cap screws to clamp it to the column. It isn't really plain but the threads are there so I feel dumb right now.
The parts book is almost clear enough also. Good thing I'm not working on rockets this week. ie Rocket Science.
Now to loosen the column from the shaft. Oh boy.
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I feel better and less dumb today. I have the column out.
What the book left out is this old tractor’s shaft and column were stuck together and how to deal with that. :-) I’ve written a bunch of service bulletins in the past and I always had to pare the wording down to manageable levels or the bare minimum.
A pipe wrench on the STOUT column up at the (steel?) upper bushing and a 2X4 thru the wheel spoke against the column popped them loose. Mr. Fibro-Myalgia with a cracked rib got it done, just had to line everything up so I could deal with it. I stood on the ground at the back of the platform. Cake.
The pipe wrench is a Soo Line wrench I found on the highway right near their yard. They turned the corner and the wrench slid off the truck I figured. Darn right I spun my car around around and grabbed it! I needed a bigger pipe wrench!
Good grief is that assy HEAVY!
Need to find the right lighting to catch a pic of the makers stamping on the column tubing. Uff da! In-house? Feels good working with this stuff again.

I should also try resetting my camera. My pics turn out a bit small and low rez for me. Gotta try something else. :-) I’ll try it from my end this time.
On the other hand, I’m such a dunce, working on the steering and transmission when I should be prepping the engine to run again! An old friend says “You’ll have that.” :-)

FT-238 adjusto for the worm has 2-1/2“ - 12 threads by what my caliper says.
This pic is for the few that haven’t tore into these things. :-)
A crummy look down into the case. Look at the slim gear just to the right and the finals. He has been pulled really hard. Which gear is that? 1st?
The bevels look beautiful from what I can see.
This sliding/slop is almost a small mystery. The sector is trapped in its housing so perhaps the setscrew is loose if using that to try to retain the steering shaft. The FT-245 thrust collar is out of place and missing the big 5/16 x 3-1/2 cotter.
Question answered I think.
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Short side-step. Played with the oil filter today and find a cartridge I swear doesnít have the room to allow any oil around the outside to do any filtering...
I pushed it out with a big punch.
I should probably throw the old filter away but itís about the only TC/MM memorabilia I have! :-)
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Same filter as U,KTA,GB etc.KE5159 Some I have.




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Hahaha! now that's memorabilia!
Thanks gb!
Hmmm, I wonder what Wix is providing these days... Oh NAPA, here I come again.
I walked out to the basket case MTA and sure enough. Thanks again. :-)
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Gee, I wonder when replacing the steering column if I should’ve loosened the 2 adjusting screws for the steering sector bracket? Perhaps it would’ve “floated” a little easier to allow the 4 bolts in the steering support bracket to drop into place instead of me coercing the whole affair into place and then realizing it went bloop and it aligned up after I had three bolts started. Might’ve been easier to start the adjusting plug into those 2-1/2“ threads at the worm and sector bracket too.
Won’t be too far down the road and I’ll test my theories as I’ll need to rip it all apart again, find a sucker with arms as long as mine or longer to hang from the rafters upside down to be able to reach that far down into the case to install the bolt or 5/16 cotter in the shaft & collar. I still think what sidelined that tractor was a crash, a roll away or something that mucked up the radiator and sheared the 5/16x3-1/2 cotter pin out of the collar.
A couple of obligatory gear shots from the case. He’s pulled his heart out for the users.
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The 21-32 is steering again for the time being! Just stuck and mucked up. I'm quite glad! No tractor racing for the moment tho...
Yet at another crossroad.
Tires: I think I'll see what the local GoodYear store has to offer for used 20 inch front tires.
Maw has "hinted" she ain't wanting me to spend any more moneys on these old tractors. We'll see. We are so dang cheap! Got $$ to play with but I could do this for a hundred instead of three for steel in front? So dang cheap. And yet a very local source of steel is on the radar. Hehehe!

I believe, with the help of the young fellas at the tire store, The 15-32 rear tires on old No.2 can be saved and used for a long time. Some boots will be needed. We'll see.
OK, as I understand it, 15x32 tires are few and far between. OK.
How about solid rims? Any thoughts? The left rim is holding on but very thin on the bottom where he sat for a long time. Fluid in the tires. The right rim is garbanzo beans. George Carlin once said "I ain't eating nothing with the first four letters of garbage in it!"
I'd like to cut the right rim off and weld a good rim back on as I've gotten used to the rubber still here. The son wants to pull this tractor too. I can't blame him. If you break it son, fix it.
We'll see.
Point is; a set of good 15x32 rims will take care of things...
Cripes, old #2 isn't even running again yet. Yet.
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Your 32" tires and wheels are pretty good I take it, the WK40 and 22-36 McCormicks run those also so ive had to collect up some of those for friends over the years. My 32" supply is down to a few rims now. I run steel wheels on everything now, but over the years I tried to buy 30" duals at farm sales and then found a pair of 30" 22-36 cutoff rears but we have never done anything with them. The steel lugs sure take some power away compared to the rubber tires, but I sure hate flat tires and dead batteries.
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Just need to get those used decent fenders and platform I mentioned to you and tires and it's plowing time. 32 are hard up here as well to get. Keep an eye on Craigslist or farm sales. Those tires didn't seem to dry cracked and may be saved.
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Russ, those rear Good Yearís are pretty nice for what they are. I too HATE flat tires and dead batteries... :-) On steel is just plain easier.
Adam, youíre right as usual. Those tires are not dead yet at all. Itís as if time left them be as they were for awhile. Even under the blown tube on the right, that tire is taking it well. Yes, there is damage but theyíre still ďsoftĒ.
Oh man, the platform on this olí guy is rough ainít it?
It worked for a long time for the users but it is time to take old #2 back to where heís fairly correct as he was back then. I need to break out of my box and go north-west and get the parts. You did the leg-work, now I should finish it.
The local source for wheels isnít looking good. He has McCormick wheels I think.
Unless more info comes to the surface about engine numbers and engine casting numbers throughout the FE engine time frame, Iím calling this FE-1-H engine a replacement engine with GE-1 cylinders from 44 with potentially original heads and covers. Going to say it because I mean it. Cool beans. :-)

Hahaha! Iím still posed with issues. Do I dare pull an 8000 pound slow moving boat anchor up this hill with my motor grader or glide a free rolling 8000 pound tractor (with an emer brake thatíll bite ya in the butt sometimes) up this same hill. Whoíll ride the tractor?
Iíve turned into a ďno mistakesĒ kind of fella. Double sets of chains (if one gives out) and will the eight, 1ď cold rolled pins in the rear hitch of the grader have the mustard to do it? Where else do I hook to? The drivers. Does the 100 horse IH Diesel engine actually have the snoose to do it? Heck of a load on the way up. And support machinery to stop a mishap
Adam, youíve seen this hill. Iíd value your input about it.

Iíve also loved my time down there with the 21-32. A model T friend would give me heck about NOT using the T yard truck here but he doesnít have a stereo. I have my tools and what-not on the rear leather seats of my Buick! Pretty nice go kart.
Oh oh. If you live in these areas, check for water yearly at least! Pull your water pump packing nuts too. You folks taught me that.
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