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Old 04-12-2019, 11:30:54 PM
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I love inline 6 cylinder engines. They are usually torquey and take a beating. I worked at UPS for 30 years and when I started in 1976, we still had old 1953 Chevy powered package cars with 235 inline 6's and velocity governors. You would be on the freeway, wide open trying to pass someone when all the sudden the engine would just flatten out. The later removed them. Drove a lot of 292 GMC 6 cyls and my favorite was the 300ci ford 6. Had a lot of 12 valve Cummins 5.9 diesel 6's and they were fast and powerful. Most of the later 6 cyl engines are very well supported in the bottom ends with 2 mains for every rod.
My little brother had a Jeep with the AMC 258 ci 6 cyl. The previous owner put a Clifford manifold on it with an AFB 4bbl carburetor. This thing was FAST.
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Inline sixes are also well balanced and thus smooth running. Radically better than a four. My inline six is a 24 valve Cummins, 743 ci.

I heard at one time that those UPS trucks had some special kind of engine that ran a mix of fuel types?? Or some crazy thing? Whatever they were, they definitely sounded like a six.

In my mind I visualized them having that large industrial GM V-6.

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I know what you mean. I drove a semi one summer hauling cardboard to the mill for recycling. My favorite truck was the old Mack with the inline 6 Detroit. It had a lot of torque. It wasn't the fastest of the line but, would climbed the hills with no problem. Mike
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At the museum, the 1932 10 ton Lombard were are very privileged to be hosting is running a Red Diamond. It was a conversion from years ago when the chassis got separated from it's original 6 cylinder Wisconsin D4.

With far less torque than the Wisconsin which had a bore/stroke of 5-3/4"x6-1/2" they had to install an auxillary
transmission. Regardless the beast steps right along and
sounds wonderful!

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I heard at one time that those UPS trucks had some special kind of engine that ran a mix of fuel types?? Or some crazy thing?

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I think you are referring to the Texaco stratified charge experiment. The modified an engine that used a rich small charge to light off the larger lean charge.
I believe UPS took part in the experiment. The engine was one of the 6 cyl engines (could have been the 292 or 300 inlines). IIRC it used 2 intake and one exhaust valves.
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I know what you mean. I drove a semi one summer hauling cardboard to the mill for recycling. My favorite truck was the old Mack with the inline 6 Detroit. It had a lot of torque. It wasn't the fastest of the line but, would climbed the hills with no problem. Mike
Glad it looks like you found an engine. I know you want to stay with gasoline, but IF I was going to repower that truck I would have considered the Detroit 6-71... no way would I put a “modern” engine in. Even a BBC isn’t the right lump of metal to fill that space with, and I love my big blocks!
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I want to stay period correct. And I don't consider a 1945 a modern engine
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I meant a late model fuel Injected engine. Yours sounds like a good fit. A friend of mine has a deuce and a half with a big old continental in it. It ate a rod bearing and crank journal. They’re big $ to repair he finding...
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Try Sam winer motors in Ohio. They have them
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I think you are referring to the Texaco stratified charge experiment. The modified an engine that used a rich small charge to light off the larger lean charge.
I believe UPS took part in the experiment. The engine was one of the 6 cyl engines (could have been the 292 or 300 inlines). IIRC it used 2 intake and one exhaust valves.
I was at UPS when this was being tried. The idea was to have a multi fuel engine and to be able to retrofit this set up into the GMC 292 inline 6. Being a motorhead, I was hoping to see this come to fruition but the good old EPA shut it down.
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Ok, now that I am going to repower with an international rd450,where is the best place to get parts if needed? I have seen that Napa has a head gasket kit available. I've also seen fuel pumps on eBay. Plugs and wires are easy, but rebuild parts I haven't been able to find yet. Thanks Mike
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There is an American LaFrance Junior 12 in running condition listed in enginads.com . The price is $1500. Good luck
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You can't rebuild many engines for $1500.
Here is an interesting article about the American LaFrance V-12 Junior.
http://www.alfv12.com/index.php/9-en...-v12-reference
It was originally designed by the Lycoming company and used by Auburn Motor company and ALF modified it with the dual ignition. 391 cubes, 160HP.

Maybe that would fit in my 1939 Willys pickup!

---------- Post added at 10:00:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:08:12 PM ----------

Here is a youtube of the same engine running.
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I started the engine in the 46, it runs but two valves stuck part way open and I don't have time to work on it. I started the other truck up and the engine sounds good. I don't think you will find a better Red Diamond 450 than that. I am going to take it out. Here is a picture of it.
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Heins, I'm also busy at work also. My wife and I are looking forward to the road trip to pick it up
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The ALF V-12 was basicly 2 6 cylinder engines side by side, on a common crank. Gobs of torque but not all that much sped, about 60 MPH tops! it was not a speedster, but a cities service truck, capable of 1500 GPM. 6" intake, 4" discharge at 250 PSI, it could shoot a 3" stream od water from a deck gun for 500 feet. Quite impressive for a truck built in 1948. Dual point dual distributers, 4 coiis, twin Zenith 99 carbs, and on our truck - a 700 sries, no mufflers! Straight 2" exhausts. Not too noisy, considering 527 CID and 215 HP
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Elden and his Belchfire IV.. I sure miss him....



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Here is a picture of the engine, it is ready to come out.
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That engine is a BIG RED Beauty !!! I Love big CUBE 6's
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