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Old 05-11-2019, 11:08:20 PM
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Good evening everyone.my massy harris 44, I recently got this tractor running , harrowed for a few hours with it on multiple occasions. Has totally stopped running ,It started out as a occasional miss or lack of fuel. but it has gotten so bad that the tractor wont run but only shoot flames out of the ehaust. I took the carb apart and cleaned it. But all I'm finding is fouled plugs with oil and gas. Time for a total rebuild?
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:23:06 PM
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I think the 44's came in both 4 and 6 cylinder models. Which one do you have?
My neighbor back in MN had a 44 Special...I thought that was quite a tractor!
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like mh 44s, don't see enuff of them, i'd go threw the fuel ,electric then the mechanical, everything, then you know its right and feel good about it...
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I have the 44 special. It's a work in progress that's for sure
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Default Re: Massey harris 44 issues

Well before you goo far check the spark. Make sure it jumps 3/8 of an inch or almost to a ground. A bad coil can mimic fuel trouble as can a bad condenser. These are distributor, not magneto right?
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Really like those 44s. We have a few here, one was a 6 cyl that we put a later 4 cyl into, back in the day. Also have a special with the diesel motor. When I was a teen, the converted one was equipped with the front mounted 4 row cultivator, really did good work. Around here they always referred to the 44 as the poor man's M (Farmall) The 2 short comings on them are the poor placement of the pto and the poor oil pump that the Continental engines used. Most all engine failures that these Massey's ended with, was caused by the loss of oil pressure that led to bottom end failure. Our 44 would keep up with our M all day long and have a better selection of trans speeds, just didn't use it for pto work as the shaft was too high up and you either had to re work the baler hitch to fit or simply get the Farmall and go to work.
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wont run, shoots flames out exhaust. have you checked the valve clearances? compression test? may have carbon holding valve open or a slightly stuck valve/ valves. I would run a compression test first, if compression is good that rules out several things. if compression is down need to find out why.
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look for the simple issues first. Cracked or carbon tracking distributor cap or rotor? Some one didn't switch plug wires around by chance?
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Yes it could possiable be a fuel issue and if your going to tear the carb down any way no reason not to give it a bath in some lacquer thinner and a rebuild kit.

While you in it do a tune up new points and condenser at least.

The Massey 44 was interduced in 1947 had a 4 cylinder continual engine.

You could have opted to get the 44-6 from 1947 to 1951. Used the same Continental engine as the late MH 101 Senior.

Massey Harris 44 special were marketed from 1953 to 1955.
Could be had as a distulate, Butane(LP), gasoline and diesel powered engine.

I have a few 44's includeing the 44-6, row crop (SFW), Standard , Butane and a special diesel.



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---------- Post added at 03:59:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:55:17 AM ----------

We also never had a problem with the PTO hight with out IH T45 bailer, the Clipper combine or the MH# 5 corn picker.
Only required the drive shaft from the machine to the tractor have a double u joint which most did.

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Flames out of the exhaust sounds like a timing issue. check to see if the magneto or distributor has not worked itself loose.
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Default Re: Massey Harris 44 Issues

Same issue with a wc Allis. Rebuilt carb and no go. Manifold gasket and no go. Ignition tune up and no go. But it just kept backfiring and popping. Misfiring and running crappy. Pulled fuel line and gas came out. Huh! ??? After a while pulled line again let it flow a tad longer. After few 20 seconds it went to trickle. Turned off and waited then turned on flowed nice then trickle. Pulled sediment bowl and valve out of tank and it had paint flakes plugging in let hole. Blew out and problem fixed. Would have never had guessed. Wished I would have caught many hours and parts earlier.
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Cont. motor had timing gear issues.
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Default Re: Massey Harris 44 Issues

I had a similar issue with our 63 mercury M100 pickup. I had made the sediment bowl gasket myself but left the center mostly, just poked a couple holes in the cork. When it would start it would suck the cork up and cover the gasoline hole going up the carburetor and just let enough gas in to start it.
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An old Massey dealer related to me the story of why the 44-6 came about. After the war and the boom to mechanize the farm, every one and his brother was building tractors as fast as possible to meet demand. Massey didn't want to be left out and went at it big time to fill orders, but a strike at the Continental engine plant stopped the production, Massey couldn't get the motors they were using in the 44. Continental had a warehouse full of surplus 6 cyl engines left over from war contracts stopped after the war. They supplied those to Massey till the strike was over. Massey already had the correct bell housing as it was the same as used on their smaller tractors using the 4 cyl flat head Continental. At one time there were several of the 44-6s in the area, they did good service, very smooth running, but a bit less power than the 260 4 cyl.
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Dealer fed you a line a mile long.
Massey was useing the flat head 6 since way back in the 40's in the 101 Seniors so of course they had bell houseings.

Many farmer perfered the 6 cylinder engines over the new OHV 4 cylinder engine is whay Massey stuck with the 6 cylinder till 1951.

If there would have been a strike at Continetal. there would have been a strike in the whole company not just one engine line.

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Yes I know all about the 101 series, those used the Chrysler industrial 6 mostly. Also Massey used the Continental 6 in their self propelled pickers as well as the 4 cyl version. They used the various versions in all their line so likely had plenty of Continentals on hand. The H 260 on the other hand was a new off the line motor and a surplus hadn't been built up yet, so any disruption in the supply put their new flag ship tractor offering in jeopardy of lost sales at a time when it could mean lost of customers to the competition. But til I see proof otherwise I'll stay with what the dealer told us, he was there first hand.
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Yes I know all about the 101 series, those used the Chrysler industrial 6 mostly.
I'm being pedantic here, but MH used the Chrysler's until about 1943, when they both A: switched to continental engines and B: created the 101 junior to have a slightly smaller tractor in their lineup.

A problem MH had with the Chrysler engines was Chrysler would not allow much customization to their motors, where Continental would. The Super/Senior/Junior names were brought in after the switch to Continental to differentiate the three after the four cylinder junior was created.
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"The Massey-Harris 101 Super was originally released as simply the 101. When the 101 Junior was released in 1939, this tractor was named the 101 Super. It was one of the first production tractors to have electric starting as a standard feature. The 101 Super was followed by the 101 Senior, which used a Continental engine."

8,647 101/101 supers were built with the chrysler engines, production ended in 1942.


"From 1942 till 1946 The Massey-Harris 101 Senior was similar to the 101 Super, but with a Continental engine instead of the Chrysler engine."


"from 1939 till 1946 Massey Harris model 101 Junior gasoline tractors that were destined for the export market were marked as a "102G"."

The 101 Junior used 3 different 4 cylinder L head Continental engines.
Until 1940 they used the 120 (actual 123)cid engine.
From 1940 to 1943 they used the larger L head 140 (auctal139.6) cid engine.
From 1943 till 1946 they used the L head 162 cid engine.

The 101 senior was replaced in 1947 with the Massey 44 with the OHV 260 (auctal 259.4) cid engine, could be had as a gasoline, diesel and Butane (LP) powdered and the 44- 6 with the 226 cid L head continental engine.

1953 they increased the engine size and sold the 44 special.
The 44 special was gasoline powered only, a 277 cid bored out engine.

In 1956 all Massey models were changed to the triple series, the 333, replaced the 33, the 444 (used the 277 engine in diesel, gasoline and butane (LP) replaced the 44, the 555 replaced the 55.

A Massey Harris 50 from 1955 to 1956 also built and sold as the Ferguson 40.

Data easily found in Massey Harris records.


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You need to elaborate more on the 30 and 33 series and the diesel versions, as well as the 22. These versions are scarce around here, and of interest to me. The diesel versions were Continental and the GD193 used in the 33 was also used in Harvester's 350 Diesel. A very poor piece of engineering if ever there ever was. My 44 Special diesel is an ok unit and easy on fuel but the gas version was many times better. I think the lack of parts support from either Massey or Continental was a major reason for their bad reputation. If parts had been readily available they would have been better serviced and longer lived. We have the IHC 350 Diesel here and while it wasn't the best as far as power, most of it's downtime goes directly to parts lack of availability. The 33D would have had the same issue. I'm of the opinion that the small price difference between the 33 and the 44 was small enough that most opted for the larger tractor as you seldom find any of the 30 series. Also where were these built, in assembly plants in USA or Canada and did they have much production at all during the War years. I know they did get extra material allowance for their combine line through their Harvest Brigade promotion. One of the things that I see is that most all these models all use basically the same trans/ axle assembly through out the production years, and how they added a live pto is interesting.

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I recall a Case wheel loader that also used the Continental H 277 and the 226 continental, also those very early Case dozers used the 277. There were a few of those loaders around here and both versions were good. The main issues were the front axle, the steering joints had a knuckle and ball set up that was always falling apart in side. We finally adapted a large standard u joint in there and it solved the issue. I think if we had limited the steering travel to a lesser turning radius it would have helped. My old MM model S combine uses the 226 Continental, they were very popular at one time. I did see a super large version of those in a self propelled Fox field chopper back then, not sure the displacement but the thing was huge!
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