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1935 10-20 IHC First Start


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Default 1935 10-20 IHC First Start

I bought this tractor last fall at an auction near me. It was slightly stuck but after soaking all winter I put it in gear and rocked it a couple times and it was loose. I rebuilt the magneto and carb this winter as well. I runs good but the ensign carb is a little fussy. It likes to run best with a slight choke. I am using a brass float. A question about the carb; What does the top "air cap" do. If I screw it in am I giving it more or less fuel? It doesn't seem to do anything. Also as you can see from the video I need a lower water manifold as mine is rusted through. Anyone out there have one?? Thanks Travis

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A few pictures. One on the day of the sale and two of when I got it home. It will stay in its original "work clothes" as long as I own it.
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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC first start.

sounds pretty darn good for a 84 year old machine that was stuck!
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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC first start.

That top cap is your load adjustment. Normally it should die if you screw it all the way in, black smoke when it is too far out. I haven't had much for results on the idle screws underneath for some reason, some good, some nothing. Just had a friend that had a similar problem on an 8-16, but his air intake was plugged, I see yours is open for sure. Those ensign carbs are basically a mixer so I would recheck the idle passage at the base mount of the carb, in the throat. Also can play with the float level, etc. Oh, and there is a hole in the tube that goes through the center at the base, this hole lines up with the idle passage and should be open.
Great looking 10-20, sidehill hitch and all.
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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC first start.

Yep.She sure is puuuurdy!The original look of a tractor can often be imitated,but never truly duplicated.

You might consider rubbing it down with Owatrol or a homebrew like it.I see what I believe are original decal remnants on the rear fenders.You would be surprised how they will come to life with a little Owatrol.

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Nice going!
Be sure to keep those felt pads on top of the head well oiled...….
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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC first start.

I was just thinking, 1935 would be a year for those I haven't seen many of.
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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC First Start

I haven't figured out the Ensign carb yet so I think they're dumb but yours is running pretty dang nice. Cool.
Perhaps like the Vavorizer carbs on the late Ford model T's, recheck your float height and try again to get some adjustablitly on the top knob??
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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC First Start

Thanks everyone for the comments. I spent a couple hours studying this carb and still am not sure how it works. The overthinking engineering of this time period is fascinating to me. This carb definitely fits that category. I might try going back to the cork float if I cannot get any more adjustment out of it. It idles well but lacks power when putting it into gear. It has been discussed in other threads about the pros and cons of cork floats. I definitely see an issue using the brass float as the fuel bowl is very small and the brass float is just a little too heavy. When I get some free time this summer I plan to clean the tractor up a little, fix some water leaks and try to shine up the paint a little.
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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC First Start

I had the same issues with my 10-20 McCormick Deering. I purchased a new brass float and carb kit for it. No matter what I did I could not get it to stop leaking. I went back to the cork float and re-sealed it and it has ran great since. I had the same problem with my JD GP Ensign carb. I put a new black foam float in it for old Indian/Harley motorcycles. Works perfectly now. Too bad the JD ensign and the McCormick floats are different, the needle and seats are the same in both carbs.
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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC First Start

I also have the brass float. The float height is not very much. I know, that's not specific. I had mine apart dozens of times until I got it right, which seems to be about 1/8 or 3/16 inch of travel from float bottomed out to needle fully closed. You can unscrew the top mixture adjustment and look in the hole. If the fuel is flowing into the air tube, the float is set too high. This will be obvious as soon fuel will be overflowing from the carb.

While you have the mixture adjustment out, clean it thoroughly. You'll see some little holes which may need clearing and a rattle thingy at the top which may also need cleaning to free up. Then screw it in all the way, then back out 1 1/2 turns as an initial setting. This is very sensitive. Once all warmed up, you can fine tune it one click at a time until you are happy. Mine is about 1 1/4 turn to run right.

It seems to be important for good running to have the air cleaner and intake all connected. That extra 8 feet of intake runner makes the engine run much smoother. It is great fun to hand crank it and amaze your friends! On mine, I turn on the gas, full choke, spark off, and crank 2 turns. Then choke full open, spark and throttle set to start, trip the impulse and crank it up!

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Default Re: 1935 10-20 IHC First Start

hi it basically a surface evaporation carb with very little to go worng as others have said check fuel height in float bowl my gussing is its low.
remove bowl and float assy and connect to fuel line plug the hole at the bottom of the bowl with your thumb and turn on fuel holding bowl level the fuel should rise till is level with a line cast into the inside of the bowl, bend the float arm to adjust till its right.

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