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Three In One, Plus Another One


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Old 06-20-2019, 01:33:39 PM
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I have never owned a Hart-Parr, or an Oliver, or a Cockshutt that I can recall. But got all three in one tractor today!
I had bought this 28-44 around Christmas, but it just came today. The fellow said there was no sense bringing one tractor when he could bring two. The price was right.
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Old 06-20-2019, 01:38:10 PM
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The Cockshutt is a little on the tough side, but nothing a wee bit of Bondo and a couple of 45-gallon drums of WD-40 won't fix.
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Old 06-20-2019, 01:40:11 PM
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No Rumely's this time?
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I didn't really want the 10-20 but it turns out to be a local tractor. I vaguely remember it sitting around the corner years back. It is hard to pass up on steel wheel tractors nowadays. Both are stuck, but they did plough with the 10-20 at matches not that many years back.
Time will tell.
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Not a bad looking pair of tractors.Their is no Cockshutt on that 28-44 so it must have been a US tractor? and the 10-20 looks fairly straight.It is getting harder to find them like that anymore you did well their Mr Willikers I am a big fan of original and or locally sold and used tractors.Good stuff Mr Willikers.....And the hoarding continues
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Cockshutt on tag. Serial No. 508903.
I think the number on the McDeering is KC111224 but hard to tell. Tag is very grimy.Come to think of it, the only IHC tractor I ever owned before was a Farmall BN - 45 years ago maybe.
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I cant say I ever knew of a person that regretted owning a 10-20, and I do wish I had a big Oliver like that on steel to make the bundle pitchers sweat.
Very nice additions, I would say.
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Cockshutt on tag. Serial No. 508903.
I think the number on the McDeering is KC111224 but hard to tell. Tag is very grimy.Come to think of it, the only IHC tractor I ever owned before was a Farmall BN - 45 years ago maybe.
The rad must be wrong or the tag is?.Should it not have COCKSHUTT casted on the rad aswell?
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No clue? Maybe the experts will know? Cockshutt tag made the deal for me. The brother of the previous owner is still around. It would be nice to know where they got it.
My brother and his son have a smaller model which has Cockshutt/Hart-Parr on the rad.
I don't know why the pics went sideways?
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The tag on ours has Cockshutt on it, but its probably not chiseled in stone that they all were supposed to have Cockshutt on the tag or the radiator.
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This little brother has Cockshutt on the rad, Hart Parr on the side of the block.
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Shouldn't take too much to get the 10-20 running. There are soy beans in the field this year. Unless they do a quick turn around to winter wheat, there could be some fall ploughing.
The Cockshutt will take a fair bit. A long term project if I don't run out of wind.
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should have Cockshutt with hart parr below it cast on radiator. Im sure it has been replaced with one on it now
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Talked with another expert who says there were variations in rads, tags, etc. Bill Cockshutt in "About Cockshutt" says that also.
Serial number comes up as 1937. It has Hart-Parr cast on the block
When I get into the Cockshutt, it might be possible to tell if the rad has been changed. To be honest, I really don't care. It will stay as it is because that is part of the history of the tractor.
Just glad to have the old girls home.
It is all good.

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Still buying? Have few rad tops for a display TC/MM,RI Gibson etc. Would like to have CK/Hart Parr or TC/Waterloo ones. Where were all these tops cast? Had to be in your neck of woods with Canuck variation.
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Evidently the Cockshutt H P is too late to have 28-44 cast in the front of the frame.
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Still buying? Have few rad tops for a display TC/MM,RI Gibson etc. Would like to have CK/Hart Parr or TC/Waterloo ones. Where were all these tops cast? Had to be in your neck of woods with Canuck variation.
Friend has a TC and the only Waterloo branding is on a brass tag affixed to the hood. Mr. Blaney, who posts here, has the bigger TC with the Waterloo name cast on the top tank. He might know of who made them? Both Cockshutt and Waterloo Mfg. had foundries and could have made the rad tanks, but have never known if they did. Cockshutt is long defunct. Waterloo is still in business but there is no one left who remembers anything about their old agricultural lines.
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The Cockshutt is a little on the tough side, but nothing a wee bit of Bondo and a couple of 45-gallon drums of WD-40 won't fix.

Yeah a littleyou need more then that.A whole new set of fenders is more like it
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Friend has a TC and the only Waterloo branding is on a brass tag affixed to the hood. Mr. Blaney, who posts here, has the bigger TC with the Waterloo name cast on the top tank. He might know of who made them? Both Cockshutt and Waterloo Mfg. had foundries and could have made the rad tanks, but have never known if they did. Cockshutt is long defunct. Waterloo is still in business but there is no one left who remembers anything about their old agricultural lines.
As far the MM/TC/Waterloo equipment is concerned, I have a feeling the upper rad tanks were cast right in Minneapolis. The casting number on my MM-Waterloo 27-44 rad tank has a letter C following it, rather than the standard A as found on the Twin City branded 27-44's. I believe this C stood for "Canada". I spoke to Tony Thompson about this years ago as there is no evidence of a third tank represented by the letter B.
How Oliver/Hart Parr/Cockshutt operated I cannot say.

Congrats on getting those tractors home Rick! The 28-44 looks like an Ontario tractor due to the pitting. Still a nice looking tractor though!

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Thanks Jeff,
I recalled that you had looked into that regarding your amazing Waterloo. There is one older man still going who worked at Waterloo and recalled the old days. I'll try and look him up.
Bill Cockshutt is gone now. He was about the last with a direct involvement going back that long, but he does discuss it in his book..
Looking at the tractor over the noon hour and putting some juice in the cylinders, there is no indication it was ever any different than how it is now.
See you at Cookstown!
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