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Three In One, Plus Another One


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Old 06-21-2019, 08:51:07 PM
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The date is cast, upside down, on the block. Also, this gear came with it. Don said he didn't know whether it belonged to the tractor but he threw it on anyway?
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And on the 10-20! I felt strong tonight and pulled the head off. I didn't think it was going to happen all alone. I had some pieces of wood under it as it was raised. Nearly gave up, but caught a second wind and got it off. That was about the limit of my lift capacity and the old knees and spine felt every ounce when the weight cam on me. Those things are heavy.
There were no surprises. There is some light surface rust here and there from sitting. Fuel/oil mix in there now. Also a couple of stuck valves. Shouldn't be too big a deal.
Got too dull in there to do much more tonight.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:39:58 PM
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Well Rick, Cookstown will be the place to be if you have questions regarding the history of your 28-44. We are hosting the International Cockshutt Club this year.
As you are well aware, the early to mid 1930’s were a convoluted time for tractor manufacturers... bankruptcies, mergers, acquisitions. I imagine just about anything went as long as equipment was moving out the door. The cross border sales/distributors only added to this confusion. I would bet more than a few tractors were shipped with different badges, rad tanks etc.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:37:10 AM
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Jeff,
That should be a good show. It will be interesting to see what Cockshutt stuff comes out. Might have to camp over.
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Old 06-23-2019, 05:15:46 PM
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The Mc-Deering 10-20 is now unstuck!
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My cousin worked at a chevy dealer and they had what was supposd to be a Tahoe come in.It had Tahoe trim on 1 side and Yukon trim on the other. Of course they changed to the chevy stuff but these tractors could have just rolled out with whatever on them and being farm machines,it didn't stop them from rolling and working.
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The valves are out of the 10-20 and ready for lapping. Pistons should come out next.
Hope to get the pistons out of the Cockshutt first though so I can put in an order for both. Got a start at it this morning before it got too hot and sticky in the shed.
Inside the crankcases of both tractors looks very good. So I am hoping the Cockshutt is just stuck from surface rust on the pistons. Time will tell.
The magneto on the Cockshutt looks to be a Bosch similar to the Wallis. It also has the impulse in the tractor housing. There is, at least, a coupling to the mag rather than the rad hose type as used on the Wallis.
Does anyone have experience with this style of 28-44 mag drive? The only books I could find at Wauseon were for the Oliver 80 and 90 and they show different styles. There is what looks like an adjuster of some sort above the coupling. I'll get a pic tomorrow.
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Old 07-06-2019, 06:57:17 PM
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The valves are out of the 10-20 and ready for lapping. Pistons should come out next.
Hope to get the pistons out of the Cockshutt first though so I can put in an order for both. Got a start at it this morning before it got too hot and sticky in the shed.
Inside the crankcases of both tractors looks very good. So I am hoping the Cockshutt is just stuck from surface rust on the pistons. Time will tell.
The magneto on the Cockshutt looks to be a Bosch similar to the Wallis. It also has the impulse in the tractor housing. There is, at least, a coupling to the mag rather than the rad hose type as used on the Wallis.
Does anyone have experience with this style of 28-44 mag drive? The only books I could find at Wauseon were for the Oliver 80 and 90 and they show different styles. There is what looks like an adjuster of some sort above the coupling. I'll get a pic tomorrow.
Should be a U4 American Bosch
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Just a few pics of governor housing and magneto drive on 28-44. Top adjusting screw is for linkage control - governor linkage goes right through block to other side. Lower, larger adjuster is for governor main spring.
Note the finely crafted wooden pipe plug in housing!
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Gas tank sealer?
To Canadian correspondents, where can I get gas tank sealer in Ontario or elsewhere in Canada? There used to be some guys at car swap meets who had it. Does anyone have a name or number?
Is it carried by any of the parts stores?
I am always edgy about carrying it across the border. My next, and likely last trip of the year to the USA will be by air. Not sure they would be happy having that show up on the scans at security!
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Gas tank sealer?
To Canadian correspondents, where can I get gas tank sealer in Ontario or elsewhere in Canada? There used to be some guys at car swap meets who had it. Does anyone have a name or number?
Is it carried by any of the parts stores?
I am always edgy about carrying it across the border. My next, and likely last trip of the year to the USA will be by air. Not sure they would be happy having that show up on the scans at security!
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Why not just take it to one of your local shops and have them do the work for you?
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:08:38 PM
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I, strongly, suggest clean it up right and solder it, If there are minor or significant holes, then apply a thin soldered on zinc galvanized steel patch. If you've done that kind of soldering, it's easy, or you can get some practice. It must be completely free of rust, though. I have one waiting in the shop for a friend. I'll let him watch and/or help. I started doing that 68 years ago when I was 15 with a gasoline blow torch and soldering copper cause we had no electricity. Dad was the teacher then.
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Yes, I soldered a lot of holes and added patches to the tanks on the Wallis. It took a fair bit of time, and it is not pretty, but they hold gasoline. I swished them with sealer afterwards to coat the insides.
The tanks on these two tractors do not look bad. I just want to swish the insides to get them clean to start. If there are any holes, I'll solder them up.
The plan on these tractors is to do as much as I can myself. There are no deadlines. Just hope to have some fun along the way.
I don't think there will be too many more full tractor restorations for me. That train has left the junction! These ones should carry me through 'till I tip over. They were local tractors so a no-brainer (that train is also well down the line!) to buy at the price. Not many complete steel wheeled tractors available around here any more.
I am about the last of the old fools left around here who likes playing with these old wrecks.
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Don't go at it too hard we don't need you tipping over so stretch it out.
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Never fear, I can make jobs last with the best of them!
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Any update on the gas tank?
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Gas tanks are weeks, if not months down the road. Maybe years? Mr. Halcon wants me to pace myself.
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Pacers don't make you work faster, they just help the heart pump. And you cant pace yourself, the doc hasta doit.
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gas tanks are weeks, if not months down the road. Maybe years? Mr. Halcon wants me to pace myself.

As Larry says
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Got the big Cockshutt 28-44 unstuck this morning. Always a great feeling when you feel that first bit of movement!
The head on that old girl is heavy. It was just about all I could do to get it off by myself last week. Another ounce, and I would have been laying under it!
The cylinders have been soaking in concoction since the tractor arrived. The fellow I bought it from did not remember when his dad bought it, or if he ever had it running.
There were some mouse nests in there - little buggers! Number 3 cylinder had some rust and I figured it was the worst. Had been thumping them on and off all week when in the shed. When I took the tarp off today, the juice had all ran away on no. 3. Number 4 was the worst, as it turned out. It was set in pretty good and got the worst of the mouse urine.
It finally moved late this morning and now turns over freely. Things do not look too bad inside the motor.
Pistons will have to come out of both tractors to size up for rings.
Now I can pace myself!
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