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My Great Grandpa's First Steam Tractor


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Not to detract from their creativity, but I suspect your Grandpa or his artistic hired hand had once threshed with an Aultman Taylor, and thought the Case machine worthy of AT's slogan and logo.
Greasyiron you may be right, I had never heard of the Aultman Taylor and the skinny chicken, he may have borrowed the phrase. I remember him saying he had owned 5 different threshers so one may have been an AT. Thank you for the information, Iím learning a lot from this forum.
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Not to detract from their creativity, but I suspect your Grandpa or his artistic hired hand had once threshed with an Aultman Taylor, and thought the Case machine worthy of AT's slogan and logo.

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I don't think you're sticking your neck out nearly as far as that skinny chicken. The photo sure looks like the engine is a fairly small unit to me, but with a blower on there, I suspect a little more spunk than 10HP would be nice, so I was thinking about 12HP too.

I've fired a couple times while Jerred Ruble's 14HP Minneapolis was belted to his Victory threshing machine: manual bundle cutting (like I think I see in the picture), bottom grain delivery, and just a straw apron, the machine seems to eat power about like a newer machine all decked out with a big feed assembly, blower, and tall grain delivery.
GreasyIron, We've had our hands in the same spot! On Jerred Ruble's 14 hp Minneapolis return flue. Gary
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GreasyIron, We've had our hands in the same spot! On Jerred Ruble's 14 hp Minneapolis return flue. Gary
I'm fairly certain we've crossed paths a couple times, but never do get a proper meet 'n greet. I think you made the Friday debut of the 150 Case last year too - we had another show that weekend, but couldn't miss the debut!

That 14RtF does handle the Victory well, and if small splits are on hand, you don't need to work up a sweat feeding it. However, that Victory is a little deceiving on how much power it takes - at a similar feed rate, our 32" Case doesn't seem to task 19HP at all and I don't think of Case as an easy to pull threshing machine. On the other hand, KG fans will laud the easy firing KG firebox, and powerful Miller valve gear, so not at all apples to apples.....or starving chickens to starving chickens.
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Greasyiron you may be right, I had never heard of the Aultman Taylor and the skinny chicken, he may have borrowed the phrase. I remember him saying he had owned 5 different threshers so one may have been an AT. Thank you for the information, Iím learning a lot from this forum.
The "Starved Rooster" was the Aultman Taylor trademark. He was featured on most of their catalogs and I think was on the decals of the threshing machines. Attached is a clip from a catalog cover. There was a poem that often accompanied the image.

This is the cock that crowed the morn,
With feathers daranged and look forlorn;
For scratch where he might and roam where he may,
He found not a grain for his labor to pay,
The Aultman-Taylor had been that way.
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Thank you Sam, I will share this story with family members
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This is a different view of the original photo, better view of the thresher.

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I took a picture of the original Aultman-Taylor sign that they put on both sides of their threshing machines. Son Mike has this one from one of two Dad and his brothers had, on one of his overhead shop doors.

The second photo is of our daughter in-law's chickens a couple years ago. This hen was at the very bottom of the peck order in the pen, and naturally assumed the name, Aultman-Taylor Chicken.

The last picture is my dad at the throttle and uncle Frank on the 20 hp Aultman-Taylor and pulling the A-T threshing machine. I'm no authority on threshing machines, but I'd bet the last picture posted by jayhawkokie of the Advance 12 hp engine, it's also pulling a hand fed Aultman-Taylor threshing machine to that stack threshing set? Gary
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This is a different view of the original photo, better view of the thresher.

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I am by no means a threshing machine expert, but I am fairly certain the threshing machine (depicted in post #26) that your Great Granddad was using with with his Advance steam engine (I am also of the notion it is a 12 HP) is a Aultman & Taylor Columbia model equipped with a geared wind stacker. It is definitely not an Advance. I consulted some of my old A & T catalogs and based on the position and construction of the tailings elevator, arrangement of the pulleys, weigher on the right hand side, the pattern of the external timber framing, etc. It all smacks of Aultman & Taylor. That is probably where his encounter with the Starved Rooster began.
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I am by no means a threshing machine expert, but I am fairly certain the threshing machine (depicted in post #26) that your Great Granddad was using with with his Advance steam engine (I am also of the notion it is a 12 HP) is a Aultman & Taylor Columbia model equipped with a geared wind stacker. It is definitely not an Advance. I consulted some of my old A & T catalogs and based on the position and construction of the tailings elevator, arrangement of the pulleys, weigher on the right hand side, the pattern of the external timber framing, etc. It all smacks of Aultman & Taylor. That is probably where his encounter with the Starved Rooster began.
I think you are right, the evidence is in that Grandpa borrowed the phrase from Aultman-Taylor. Grandpa was an interesting character, he only had a 4th grade education but was very intelligent, became stone deaf in his 20s but made a very good living farming. Grandpa was out working the fields from the time he was 9, was still farming part time when he died at 86, Dad found him laying next to his grain bin. I shared this new evidence and the pictures of the starving rooster on my Penokee Kansas History facebook page. I thank you all for for your input, I wish I would have had this information before I finished my Family History book a couple months ago.

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The long wood feeder that was used with Grandpaís last thresher is in a museum, I happened to have mentioned to the son of the gentleman who owned the company that built them we still had it and asked Dad if he could buy it, Dad donated it to the museum in Cawker City Kansas where it was built.
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Interesting about those " Humane Feeders" The late Tom Mahoney of Dorrance Kansas , a custom operator, designed and sold a few before selling rights to Avery & Co of Peoria Il. Was a long, down on the ground, extension that the crews could throw down on and use more fellows keeping the thing loaded and even, so the thresher is always working at capacity while making the labor considerably easier, great for stack threshing. The Mahoney family were good customers and friends of Avery co pres. J.B.B. He later ran for congress after WWII but was beaten out by a young veteran named Bob Dole. Mahoney later organized the Ag Hall Of Fame at Bonner Springs KS. I'm sure there were other firms building that type feeder as well, what was the name of the one you had?
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I was mistaken on the location, it was Dorrance where it was built, the son of the manufacturer had a machinery Manufacturing business in Cawker City. At the time I met him I was flying crop dusters out of Hill City and worked on airplanes in the off season, he brought his airplane in for an annual. Here is a picture of the feeder. I'm not real sure where the museum is where it went.

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In 1959 we got the old Thresher out and ran it one last time, at 12 years old I pitched bundles of oats in to this feeder.
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Interesting about those " Humane Feeders" The late Tom Mahoney of Dorrance Kansas , a custom operator, designed and sold a few before selling rights to Avery & Co of Peoria Il. Was a long, down on the ground, extension that the crews could throw down on and use more fellows keeping the thing loaded and even, so the thresher is always working at capacity while making the labor considerably easier, great for stack threshing. The Mahoney family were good customers and friends of Avery co pres. J.B.B. He later ran for congress after WWII but was beaten out by a young veteran named Bob Dole. Mahoney later organized the Ag Hall Of Fame at Bonner Springs KS. I'm sure there were other firms building that type feeder as well, what was the name of the one you had?
Tom Mahoney was the inventor of the low down feeder and had a royalty arrangement with Avery for its production. Either he never got paid at all, or they fell behind in their payments and they owed him some money. J. B. Bartholomew, the president of the Avery Company, settled up with him by building the last Yellow Fellow wooden theshing machine, after or during the Avery bankruptcy proceedings. The family still has it in Dorrance, KS. Bartholomew was a frequent visitor to the Mahoney home in Dorrance and made it a point to stop there over night when traveling across the country by train. In 1924, when the stress of the Avery bankruptcy was over and the case settled, he got on a train and went to spend a week with Tom Mahoney to destress and relax. JB Bartholomew passed away the following year in 1925. Tom Mahoney died in the late 1940's or early 1950's.

Tom's son Elmo, was the was the first curator of the Agricultural Hall of Fame and was the guy Bob Dole beat in his first election. Elmo was at the Ag Hall for only a couple of years and returned to Dorrance to the farm and successfully manufactured a basketball training device called "Toss-Back." Elmo died in 1979 and was the Mayor of Dorrance at the time.

There is a Tom Mahoney still in Dorrance. He is grandson to Tom Mahoney the thresherman and feeder inventor. His Dad was Ken Mahoney, younger brother of Elmo. My Dad and Ken were very good friends.

Elmo was an early figure in the steam traction preservation hobby and restored a 30 HP Avery undermount in about 1948. That engine is in Sweden now.

The patterns for the castings that made up the low down feeder were hung up in Ken Mahoney's family room as wall art. I am pretty sure Tony Mahoney still has them.

The family still has the last Yellow Fellow, a 40-80 (45-65) Avery gas tractor and the original low down feeder.

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I wish I remembered the name of the gentleman Dad gave the feeder to, it was around 1976, I just remember him saying they had something to do with it. I emailed the Hall of Fame Museum to see if it is there.
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I wish I remembered the name of the gentleman Dad gave the feeder to, it was around 1976, I just remember him saying they had something to do with it. I emailed the Hall of Fame Museum to see if it is there.
It's not there and I doubt they know what they have anyway. It is in Dorrance, in a shed and looked after. If it was in 1976, the guy was probably Elmo Mahoney. I remember him saying he had gotten it back, but didn't know where it was or who had it. It is the original one and was the prototype for Avery's production model.
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Sam, thanks for the update. My memory isn't always accurate on all the details, but that's great to hear those details again. I know that the brothers bought the first 2 large undermount steam engines that Avery built, just from looking at the blue prints before they were built. They bought a replacement engine in the early days of the preservation movement and displayed it for a time, It was sold a time or two and went overseas some years back, was listed for sale since, in a dismantled condition, don't know where it is today. All too often those folks with too much money buy up the engines and tear them apart but loose interest then try to sell out at a profit! A lot of otherwise good engines have fallen to that fate. The late Marcus Leonard was close to the Mahoney family back in the day and wrote of them often in his postings in the old IMA. Life in Kansas was quite interesting then, all the prairies being opened to the plow and the mfgs. were competing for sales. Where's my time machine when you need it!
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I found in some of the research I did that the FIRST threshing rig that the Mahoney family bought was Gaar-Scott. Apparently they were one of the lucky folks that actually made a fair bit of money the first year they threshed, and made it pay for itself and made some money to boot! Don't know what made them switch to Avery, which they are well known for, but they did and the rest is history!
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It's not there and I doubt they know what they have anyway. It is in Dorrance, in a shed and looked after. If it was in 1976, the guy was probably Elmo Mahoney. I remember him saying he had gotten it back, but didn't know where it was or who had it. It is the original one and was the prototype for Avery's production model.
That is interesting Sam, I pass by Dorrance when I go to Northwest Kansas to visit my Mom, about population of 150. I looked in my Pilot Log book and found the entry when I flew with him in his Cessna 205, for some reason I didn't enter the N number or his name, the date was Jan 23, 1978, but the name Mahoney does ring a bell, I think his business was Manoney Manufacturing, he built a tandem disc plow.

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I have to say I am a bit embarrassed, the old mind can play tricks on you when it comes to remembering people and facts from the past. I had remembered the gentleman whose family built the feeder said their business was in Cawker City Kansas. I got lucky on an internet search and found Richardson Manufacturing, and on their old building was Humanae Feeders, the link below shows their prototypes and more information on the company, it is worth checking out. It appears Grandpa's feeder was made by Richardson, not Mahoney.

https://richardsonmfgco.weebly.com/
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Here's how the Mahoney family got started in threshing:

https://www.farmcollector.com/steam-...ul-thresherman

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Post 39, a great story from Farm Collector.
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