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Here are the Questions and Answers for all of users to post. I am a research, historian and collections which I could have found in certain places, conversations with older folks, old magazine articles and ads and auctions. I do find a lot of Banting Greyhound memorabilia and stories. I have began to do the search in 1996. In July 1995 I have bought all Greyhound Machinery from my grandpa's estate at the same price what he paid in the past.I do enjoy conversations about Greyhounds when my grandpa took me along to NTA in early 80's. At this time this year I placed a Banting-Greyhound Museum canopy booth in various show within 250 miles from Toledo, Ohio. My display Museums would do great in contacting people who may have archive photos in attic, in their past family farm, past customers, or even they may have one in their barn or outdoor! If any of you have questions or answers, post a photo, specifications, fun facts, company history,unfamiliar or even challenging! Please post it appropriate. Thank you.
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Banting-Greyhound Farm Machinery History



Welcome to our site of Banting-Greyhound Line farm machinery preserving history, research and collections.

The Banting Mfg. Co have formed manufacturing facility in 2979 Dorr St Toledo, Ohio from 1915-1930. In 1901 The Banting Machine Company was general agent of Buffalo Pitts till 1915. In late 1915 Banting began manufacture Greyhound steam traction engine and threshers. The engine has much completely redesign from former Buffalo Pitts engineering employee. The Greyhound threshers were manufactured much of competition with other thresher makes combined. Yes I do find interesting from Agriculture development of Kansas. Much of research found in listing from original Banting catalog-literatures comments of letters from outstanding customer's satisfactions. They manufactured other machinery line such as beet harvesting, bean and pea thresher, cotton picker and Greyhound gasoline tractor. The machinery was built a very modern method simple profitable farming to the bank. Banting was much devoted attention to farming from positive to negative makes machinery. After 1930 Banting became the distributor of Allis Chalmers. Banting has supplied miscellaneous goods order form catalog for all the needs being used. The Banting Mfg was low production market but sales went well with supply catalogs. The general sales and office was located around at 114 Superior St Toledo, Ohio. Once again there are some Greyhound machinery remain existence in U.S.

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For more informations please contact me or post it. I'd rather post it so we can share thoughts .
My collections:
Greyhound steam traction engine serial 21111
Greyhound gas tractor serial 22499
Greyhound grain separator 26 by 42 serial 301854
Greyhound wooden bean and pea thresher first year production original only known found

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what was the largest engine made by them and its bore and stroke, what was the largest threshing machine made by them, any ideal how maney engines/ threshing machines are left, thank you
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what was the largest engine made by them and its bore and stroke, what was the largest threshing machine made by them, any ideal how many engines/ threshing machines are left, thank you
The largest engine is 9 3/4 by 11.
The smallest engine is 8 3/4 by 11.
In my research thru some old Banting supply catalog and literature fold out. The oldest I have is 1915 through 1928. There are four horsepowers advertised 18,20, 22 and 24 hp. The 18, 22 first two year has different logo, coal bunker and water gauge over by wheel. The 1918 - 1919 remained 18-22 hp. New style bunker, water gauge moved further and new logo has been changed. I have found some hp changes to 22 and 24 hp in 1920 time period till 1928. I do not know why the horsepower has changed. All casting and engineering specifications dimensions were all same in all years. What I am thinking is the early engine comes standard on Baker Balanced Valve( no connection with AD Baker) comes on 18 & 22 hp. The later engine in 1920 period has equipped with Gould balanced Valve to be rerated in two sizes 22 and 24 hp. Maybe many other engine manufactures have been rerated hp calculations? I have read Bill Flower's ( now deceased)comments on how many were made which was responded in letter ( 1960's) by Charles Decker a former vice president of Banting mfg. They were told it be 154 built in two sizes. There were three boiler maker made for Banting. At first it was Adam Loos Boiler then later on with John Brennanman Boiler Co. or Ohio Boiler Standard. Anyone has informations on boiler Co?
Threshing machines came out in five sizes in early wooden with steel structural. Later in mid 20's it came out all new matchless all steel thresher with Hyatt roller bearings in five sizes (late model came with four sizes). A 32 by 54 are most popular size. The smallest is 22 inch and the largest is 36in by 60 inches. I do not know how many threshers were built. I am still searching for construction and or company record or maybe it has been destroyed.
I'd say there were 11 and half Greyhound engines left today. Maybe two more out there in woods if I am right finding it. I have not counted How many Greyhound threshers left out there. I would assume at least dozen in various sizes. I would list the name of owners in next post. I am sure there are some out there in barn or sitting out door or currently being scrapped
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Hello Craig. Anyone with a connection to the Banting-Greyhound line of farm machinery should certainly appreciate what you have done. The collection of memorabilia, literature and photos that you have in your traveling museum is great. Keep up the good work and Thanks, Dave. #1952 Greyhound 18-HP.
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Well I was suppose to keep update posting somewhat weekly. I have hundreds archival research history such as newspaper clippings, business, family, former employees, literature, photos etc. Little at a time posting for all stakkers. General questions are always welcome. If I don't post then no one get a history.
Here is a 1954 photo taken at unknown show ground. It is a 24hp Greyhound( my engine) next to Fred Kline. Just past weeks at NTA. A gentleman came to see me in my Museum display hand it to me a photo.
Does any of you older folks know Fred Kline?
I tried to send emails to several folks but no one knows.
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At this point I tried to figure when the Company became incorporated sometime 1915 or 1916. In past winter finally I found it searching through a 1915 business directory book of Ohio where it remained in Toledo history department. There are another farm or steam engine manufactures listed in Ohio area too very interesting. Another photo newspaper clip where Mr Banting had given a 50 year honorable before his death. I wonder if his scroll still exist?
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Another four similar newspaper clips. Loaned and copied from a gentleman. Thanks for sharing.
Real estate values in 1954.
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Bump! I haven't post awhile. Here are the three photos taken back in 2002 or 3? The 18 hp Greyhound engine and a Greyhound thresher on rubber wheel are owned by Jerred Ruble at Heritage Park of North Iowa Show Forest City, Iowa. I plan to attend 2009 show again.
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what valve gear did greyhounds use ? did they use the same valve gear threw the entire production run ? i am not all familiar with greyhounds none around hear, ed peacock had one or somebody had one at his shows at Fulton ,Mo back in the late 50s early 60s don't know what size it was or ware it is now,i wasn't around yet to met him or go to his shows, want to say thanks again for posting the greyhound video on the prony break, that is a impressive pull have watched it many times and also the one with the 20 advance rumely universal watched that one a bunch thanks.
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As far I have some copies came from Bill Flowers of Adena, Ohio ( now deceased, front cover IMA magazine). The former vice president of Banting Mfg wrote him a letter sometimes during 60's. I am aware of his writing that engine came with Woolf reverse valve, 2 1/4 Pickering governor and standard Baker(early model) or Gould Balanced Valve in all production years. Banting was a general agent for Wood Bros and Buffalo Pitts engines and threshers. The Banting Mfg of Toledo,Ohio became incorporate in January 1915. Greyhound traction engine came out in latest 1915.
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ed peacock had one or somebody had one at his shows at Fulton ,Mo back in the late 50s early 60s don't know what size it was or ware it is now,i wasn't around yet to met him
I figured the engine may still survived today. I have read two 1960's magazine publications article named under Mr peacock. I would find article. Back in early 90's I was in Crown Point Indiana show. He has a Greyhound engine originally came from Missouri. He sold to the Dave B.(Dave Greyhound) Family in West Harrison, Indiana. The engine is in storage. He is hoping to find a good existing used boiler or may end up a new boiler. His engine must have had many hours of wears. The engine is good shape except the boiler. I have researched the Banting literature. There i found! I figured probably Mr Peacock had it from Niecamp Jr of loose Creek, MO ? Mr Niecamp Bought Greyhound engine and thresher from Toledo factory. See enclosed picture literature of owners name. Also two photo views of engine mount.
Mr Dave B. (Dave Greyhound) 1919 18 hp serial number 1952 52nd built. The oldest known engine survived.
Hi Dave! Can you post your engine photos?
Note: Owners name photo click thumbnail then click picture again twice to enlarge to view names and hometown.
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I must have sent wrong photo. Here are the engine mount photos. click thumbnail then click picture again twice to enlarge to view
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i remember seeing in a 1960s issue of E&E magazine a list of the engines in the Ed Peacock estate i think the greyhound was listed, they had around a dozen engines listed and if i remember right the serial # were listed to, have to do some digging and see if i can find that issue again, i knew a few of the old timers who knew Mr. Peacock but sadly they are all gone now, or i could find out about that engine
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I 'd thought I post some interesting archival photos copied from original catalog. More to come later on. First with pictures and then the last post will be letter of customer testimony.
Greyhound machinery catalog 1918 20 pages.
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Some more photos from same catalog. The third photo was taken in George Hunsbarger (Hunsburger?) Farm Wakarusa, Indiana. Today they are still on the same family farm. It's about 15 miles from my home.
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More scanned photos. Some letters were given to the Banting Mfg. Quite interesting history.
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Some more scanned photos. Specifications on steam and threshers.
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Another interesting photo. Last April 2001( I think)at Forest City, Iowa. The 18 hp Greyhound steam traction engine owned by Jerred Ruble moved 1890's Ellington School house #2 4 miles and four hours. The engine stopped 12 times to raise or cut power line over the roof. It went up and steep down hill without the governor belt. Before it entered the Heritage Park drive. The drive is freshly degraded gravel. The moving wheels sank in few inches would make the double header steam traction to pull it. In addition was a Wood brothers in front of Greyhound. Both double header engines has rubber lugs moved perfectly. The county gave them a permit to travel all way on black top. A real moving history! Historical moving equipment was equipped by Ron Holland House Moving.
I have a 30 minutes video of this actions. Fantastic!
http://www.heritageparkofnorthiowa.c...Ellington.html

Look at his massive round barn moving
http://www.hollandhousemoving.com/
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Posting some photos of original former Banting Mfg Co. building located currently at 2375 Dorr St Toledo, Ohio(2979 Dorr St). I think I have found a construction site for Banting Mfg during teens. More information to update search from Toledo's Attic archival historical.
Photo 1 Came from catalog photo of the original manufacturing drawings showing north and south. The north side is a Dorr St the road and electric trolley way
Photo 2 Top picture is on the east side. The topper white roof is probably power line pulley. I do not know if existed. I may have to get permit from the owner to view overall building. Bottom photo is what I believe is a foundry building right next to the chimney. It is located on far south side on west.
Photo3 West side view from N and S.
Photo 4 Original chimney still standing.
I do not find any Banting logo around. I have taken photo from the east side but not the best picture.
I also found former Banting's home. It was on real estate few months ago. Big nice large home with color glass. See link. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DG
Mr Banting died at the same home.
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I have found another 18(20) hp Greyhound steam traction engine near Cleveland , Ohio. The owner have not run awhile since his father passed away some years back. It is still sitting out door with almost all original. I don't remember the serial number or year. The boiler condition is unknown.
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