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Old 12-14-2008, 04:06:23 PM
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G., I hope you don't mind me posting this picture here but I thought this thread is the right place. We were at the SteamEra back in 1998, and it was quite the adventure for us! There was a threshing contest with an OilPull and (I believe) a steamer. Off course the OilPull won
I was on a very hot Saturday, and I did not take too much pictures because I also had a VHS camera with me. The next day we spent driving around and enjoy the landscape and the endless roads (at least for us Europeans) and on the Monday morning we were lucky to visit an old pumphouse with two magnificent beam engines. We spent a great two weeks with four old iron nuts, including my dad, and visited quite a few collections and shows in Pa, NY and Ontario. It was my last 2-month holiday after leaving school and I started working the day after we arrived back in Belgium. Thanks for bringing back good memories!
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Beth i think it is a 25 not sure
but the boiler is a lap ,bell never made a butt strap traction .
portables lots of butts for some reason never on a traction
it sits in a museum in sterling ontario now
the stapely engine with the cab was wallys, it is in the milton
museum they were bell people always had at least 4 portables as well not sure were they ended up
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again, these two are not steam; but my goodness, that is an awfully nice line up of early vehicles! And look at the condition! looks like some elm trees in the background also. All the big elms bit the dust around home here in the early to mid-60s when the dutch-elm came through!
I think the license plate on the one chevy says 1963. But my eyes aren't worth a damn close up anymore so i can't be sure!??!
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sir, first few have no bumpers. Kinda when did ft bumpers appear?? Born in 42
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a couple more before i go out and face the day!
A robert bell owned by wallace stapely. Not sure of hp but it has nice high wheels - good looking outfit!
And don't know a thing about the car; but it is a dandy!:d
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on the r. Bell, what is brace belo smokbox, towbar?? What is petite governor??
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Marcel and anyone else, yes please post pictures if you have them!
Nik O - don't know about bumpers? Bracket on the Bell is maybe for shoving the threshing machine up the barn gangway? Robert Bell used Gardner governors and some Waters.
Here are a couple more shots:
First is a locomobile. Not sure who the presonalities are or much about the unit but it could be one that is not too far from me these days, though not running.
The Overland car is in the downtown parade held during the show. Very nice auto and right hand drive!
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So here are a couple more. They are running low kids so if anyone has other images from the old shows you better send them in as this thread will dive faster than a U-Boat in a sea full of HMCS destroyers!
First is of Bill Johnson's Cock Of The North, about a 20 hp, I think they were called the "Duke". Bill was one of the first people I encountered when I caught this disease. I had just bought a 25-40 Oil Puke and he had a good one there and wasn't too far from my home. He was a tremendous help and became a good friend. He had a business partner name Lou Holt and they reconfigured a lot of old traction engines into tobacco steamers. But Bill did have a few keepers including this Abell, a 28 George White, a 25 George White, 25 Waterloo, 22 Sawyer-Massey, a locomobile built around a rearmount Sawyer and many others that are still around the Province. One of the greats and a founder of the Milton show!
The big Oil Puke is Norman Schell's E 30-60. I stand to be corrected but didn't Norm bring this one in from the Dakotas or some where west? (I know it went back out there to Iowa many years back). Back in the 60s, there was a lot of iron moving back and forth across the border. The Canadian buck was at par (or over par) with the Greenback and the early Ontario collectors brought in a lot of bigger tractors and Western traction engines just because they were scarce here and awfully neat!
SteamEra was well known for years for having a good spread of oddball tractors - some rarer Canadian breeds and nice early stuff. They could also muster a good line up of big tractors - a couple of E Rumelys, 30-60 Aultmann-Taylor, 30-60 Fairbanks-Morse, 25-50 Sawyer-Massey, 45-70 (?) Minneapolis, Townsend, 15-30 Fairbanks, 20-40 Sawyers and many more. I didn't know Norm Schell all that well but we did do some business with his company over the years, Hillview Farms I think they were called. Good people all around and I think the younger generation is still running the company.
Since I am not a member of any club, I can make all kinds of suggestions and not get stuck running some kind of committee! But it seems to me that the shows don't do enough to honour the ones who came before - how about a hall of fame tent or something like that with lots of pictures and memories???
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And a couple of more, the last of that b&w set and they show the old cars. Looks like the boys are having a knuckle busting contest in the second shot!
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And a few more. The Sawyer-Master had a few of these on his Sawyer-Massey thread recently but I'll put them here too just because they all came as a set.
First is Bill Johnson's 28 George White and she looks really sharp so must have been soon after restoration. Not sure who the folks are on the ground though they all look familiar! The operator is, I think, Ross Johnson, no relation to Bill. Ross had steam equipment also - steam shovel, roller, Port Huron engine, etc.; he is long gone also. I was working in a field alongside the CN railway one day years ago and a westbound freight went by. All of Ross' equipment was sitting on flat cars. Never heard where they went - Michigan?
Second is a Sawyer & Massey called a 1906 and owned by Arnold McDuffe. I think the boys discussed this one quite a bit on Timmster's thread. Don't recognize the operator?
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And the very last!
20hp Macdonald owned then by a Mr. Butters or so it says on the card. This one I believe is in the National Museum? Another of the calliope with Earl Carpenter's Goodison and the last is Gordon Smith's 20-40 Sawyer-Massey, also in the National Museum.
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Mr. G

The b&w photos look like old Canadian Champion photos.
The car pics are probably pre 63-64 as the car club only came to the show for the first 2-3 years.

These pics were probably taken by Roy Downs who worked for the Champion. His father, Emerson, was one of the nicest men I have ever known.

The locomobile pic was taken at the old Milton Plaza as they were lining up for the downtown parade.
I think this engine belonged to Stan Gorman who was an early steam man at the show. He lived on #5 highway somwhere around Trafalgar Rd. I remember being in his yard a couple of times.

The Fox engine was fixture at the show for years, but I am not sure where it is now.

The Stapelys were also at the show for many years always parking under a big oak tree on the east side of the grounds.

Brings back great boyhood memories.

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Had a call this evening from an individual of great note who suggested I keep posting early Milton pictures. I tried to tell him I was out! Well, I did find a couple more.
These were taken by a good ol' pal of mine who was an early SteamEra attendee, Bill Earl. Billy is still going strong and sent me these a couple of years back. But they are small images and don't come up all that clear.
First is of the PH high wheeler, maybe when the Thomsons first brought her up from Wickie Jones in Kentucky. She doesn't have a cab at this point and they did put one on her soon after. The next one, Bill is looking down the motor as she is on the sawmill. Not sure what pressure they ran her at when they first brought her into Ontario, but I'll bet they had a good, roaring fire!?
Next is, I believe, Ross Johnson's Port Huron. It looks like it was done up pretty nice back then!
And have not got a clue about the final one. Maybe some of the detectives on here will have some ideas?
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I really have to get Dad to take a look at these pictures. I know that the Hasc car club had a super big showing in 1967 for the countrys centennial. They did a cross country tour that year. We managed to go from here to Montreal in the 29 plymouth....not too many memories other than a pile of pictures they took.(I was only 2) uh oh...now I've dated myself
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Gerald Garbutt died a bachelor.
He boarded with a lady named Bessy Smith who owned a farm on Tremain Rd south of Milton. She hired lots of young lads over the years to help with haying etc.
Gerald was her hired man for years.
I don't know if he bought the Rumely new or not, but he owned it for a long time.
The farm was 5 miles or so from the fairgrounds and he would drive the rig there from the farm.
As kids we would here him coming up the road as he had to pass by our house.
When he passed away the tractor was willed to Steam-Era.
After a time it was sold and is now in the Norval area.

Now for a skill testing question.
Where on the grounds was this picture taken?

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Ross: If'n I gots my bearings straight, I will say on the track, just north of the grandstand. I'm saying that as one can see the judges stand from the race track days, and it stood opposite the grandstand near to it's north end. I'm thinking if it were in the in-field looking back at the judges stand, one would be able to see the grandstand to the left of it.

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Marcel
I am glad you enjoyed your visit to our part of the world.
It used to be a beautiful area to live.
The area known as the Golden Horseshoe that surrounds Lake Ontario from east of Toronto down to Niagara has changed dramatically in the last 30 years since I left home and expecially in the last 10 years since you were there.
You would not recognize the Milton area now as urban sprawl has overtaken all the beautiful farms that used to surround the town.
Sadly this amongst other things has taken its toll on the show and it is now not what it was in the 60s & 70s.
My brother & I still keep 4 Oilpulls in town at a friends place, but we have to be so carefull on the roads now driving to the fairgrounds because of all the idiot drivers on the road.
I'm sure Mr. G & Robert will echo what I have just written.
If you ever have a chance to get back feel free to contact me to get together.

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Ross,
For years, when I went to the show, I either went through Kilbride and along Derry Road or down Highway 5, up Tremaine and then on Derry. It just makes me want to to see what they are doing along Derry and Tremaine! What a disaster turning all that farm land into a suburban ghetto!
There used to be an old wrecking yard just south on Tremaine. Can't remember the name of the people but they also used to wreck tractors at one time. The last time I was in there, there were a few pieces of some older M-H tractors. Now, they have built a huge, portable factory where they build those damn houses right inside and then move them out to the foundations!
Not sure, but this bridge has likely been burned, but imho, the show should have been moved to the ag museum years ago!??! A great site, 80+ acres, huge collection of early equipment, plenty of opportunities there for younger guys to play with early tractors that they otherwise could never afford to own. And I have heard it all could have been had for one shiny Loonie not that many years ago!
Thing is now, this stuff belongs in the rural areas where it is truly appreciated. Cookstown and/or Paisley come to mind as locations that own their own property and may have a brighter future. Trying to cater to suburbanites is a pipe dream. They would sooner spend their time at the malls or other such trivial pursuits.
I have said enough - gonna get in trouble if I say what I really want to say right now!
Aloha,
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G Willikers,
I hadn't been following this thread and I must say, I'm amazed. They sure gathered some great stuff back then for these shows. I'm also out of my piddly 5 "thanks" for the day. Thanks for posting. I enjoy the cars and gas as much as the steam, so you haven't offended me in any way, posting that stuff. I really loved that Model TT wrecker. I remember two old "Six Speed Special" IHC trucks owned by Ike Meissier in Lewistown as a boy. The TT makes me even happier and it is close enough to what I grew up with as far as hand crank winches.

My head hasn't been this game for a year, but it is starting to come back. Thanks again for starting the thread and posting the pictures.
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I hear exactly what you are saying.
It was Alan & Annie Bush who owned the scrap yard.
They had a big stake truck and an old boom truck.
I think Alan would drive the stake and Annie the boom.
I remember many times seeing them one after the other heading out for another load of junk.
They were a little older than Dad.
Dad said Annie was a knock out in her younger days.
Annie was Vic Hall's sister.
Vic was a stationary engineer at the Deaf School in Milton.
He and his brother owned a Sawyer that was on the show buttons up until 67 or 68.
It was only at the show the first few years when they had some kind of disagreement and quit bringing it.
It sat at the family farm beside the barn where the brother lived for years. I'm not sure when it was sold or where it went.
Vic then got into stationary steam with Ernie Batty who owned a welding shop in Milton.
He eventually built the big Bell portable engine on the rubber tires that would up at Jack Parkinson's.
Getting back to the scrap yard, in the early 70's in my teens I heard that Alan had a big gas engine in the yard. It had come from Bessie Smith's. I think this was around the time that Gerald had died.
It turned out to be an 8HP Goold Shapley & Muir tank cooled very similar to the one I have now.
I went to look at it, but the head had been frozen and cracked pretty bad.
Alan want $150 which was in my price range but I let Dad talk me out of it.
Another Milton man, Johny Brander, wound up getting it.
It wound up selling at his sale a couple of years ago for a lot more than $150 and pieces were missing.
Oh yeah it had provisions for a hot tube!!!
If I had only known more in my youth.

Sorry to ramble on, but hopefully some will find the storys interesting.

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Many names come to mind. A couple that a lot of people don't think of or mention would be E. J. Hayes and Carl Rowe. But also the likes of Jack Arthur, Huey Clark, Black Jack Howe, Freddie Ruddel, Gordon Hume, The Rainer's, and lets not forget Alan Byers, Mr. Clark, Albert Fife, and Bish. Good times, good friends.
Gary Pattenden and myself went one evening [as we oft did] to the 5th Wheel for supper, but this particular time we went with E. J. and Carl. We sat in the dining room, and of course we were ourselves, which meant we were on our best behaviour,...........NOT. The next night we returned [the 4 of us] and the moment management saw us come in, they sat us in the "trucker area" next to two of Milton's finest. Carl and E. J. said they had been kicked out of better places.

I got kissed somewhere betwixed the horsebarns and grandstand one evening. Not gonna tell, loose lips sink ships, all I will say though is that I could be driving a 15-30 F-M about now. Boy was I sleeping!!!

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Ross, how could I forget John Brander [wooden shoes and all], and forgive me I just remember Sam Newel.

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