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1939 Minneapolis Moline ZTS Set


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Old 01-10-2011, 01:56:49 PM
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Of the 295 MM ZTS's made in 1939,3 ended up in my yard. Two are finished and ready for paint and third is partially done.Name:  ZTS.jpg
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Default Re: 1939 MM ZTS Set

What I meant by a set is one on rubber one on steel. The unfinished one is the only one with electrics and only one that has dual tank and allfuel manifold.(distillate)
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:34:49 AM
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GB,
Here are pic's of my Z standard.
It was a two owner tractor that got put in storeage for many years. It was complete, correct and all the original tin work was in fabulous condition. It had a large percentage of the original "yellow" paint on it.
I have many photo's showing an extensive resto that was finished out with the later prairie gold color.
This turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made. Everytime I look at this tractor I feel terrible for using it as a vanity statement.
After the complete renovation I should have cleaned and oiled it down...(this machine still has original old time tires on it!)...
The least I could have done was to put the correct early yellow paint back on it instead of the prairie gold
The longer I live the more I dislike paint...just look at all the damage you can do with it
My current resto is getting painted with cheap-ass implement paint because it was completely shot and all the sheet metal had to be reproduced.
I will never paint one that nice again if I can get lucky enough to find one as good as my Z WAS.
Just an opinion...
take a 50/50 mix of diesel fuel and motor oil or 50/50 diesel and ATF and spray the most original one of your standards down with it. Stare at it once in a while and think about it for a while. If you still want to paint it after that then go ahead. would you paint them yellow or PG?
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:39:44 AM
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Just a question for you. About 20 years ago when I first got into the Hobby I was an MM collector and attended several early MM conventions including Waukee, IA, Vail,IA[at Roger Moores] and Baraboo,Wis. At that time I found a 1939 fllat tank RTS in a junk yard on Cape Cod. It was in rough shape but all the important parts were present. It even had the early brass tags with one containing a hole which I have heard could have indicated it was originally equipped with a R-Cab. It is still in a pile out back but have collected all the missing parts[solid disc rear wheels and the proper gas tank]. My question is do you know how many of these tractors exist in preservation today. At one time I heard that there were about 6-10. Thanks for any information you may have. Ed B
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Tony
I don't like the color of original PG. I also not a fan the second PG. It almost looks fake! I think I would force myself to paint original Prairie Gold. I am stickler for keeping original. A couple of questions on your Z. Is that a drip tray under carb? What are the grey colored bolts in the side of exhaust manifold? What color should the gas,rad and oil filler caps be?

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From my research I have concluded all R's in 1939-40 had brass plates. All 1939 had holes punched. I suspect about 300 RTS were made in 39.More common in Canada. I missed one last year. I spoke for it and guy sold it before I got there for 200$. I would estimate there is 45-50 left.
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Old 01-12-2011, 09:19:23 PM
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Thanks for the information on my RTS. I guess someday I will have to put it together after I finish about 8 crawlers ahead of it. Ed B.

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Tony I just looked at your ZTS again and that is one meticulous restoration. The attention to detail is the best. But I also know what you are saying about original patina. I have several tractors in their original look and people love them at shows. I get a magazine from Australia TOMM and they have had a lot of tractors and engines lately done without paint and they also coat them with some type of finish and they look better that paint. Ed B.
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Default Re: 1939 Minneapolis Moline ZTS Set

What was the rationale for the engine design with the manifolds on top of the engine?
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Default Re: 1939 Minneapolis Moline ZTS Set

The RE motor was used in Z and R series as well as combines. The engine was designed for simplicity. The motor can be repaired in field. Rod bearings can be changed by removing crankcase cover on side. Valves can be easily replaced as they run crossways. To disasembly motor takes about 2 hours. Blocks are cast in pairs so if bad block or piston only one has to be changed.
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[QUOTE=Molinegb;600593]Tony
A couple of questions on your Z. Is that a drip tray under carb? What are the grey colored bolts in the side of exhaust manifold? What color should the gas,rad and oil filler caps be?



GB,
Yes to the drip tray, I do not like gas dripping right onto the governor below it. After a few years the governor will look pretty grungy with the gas eating the paint off of it and turning brown.
The gray bolts are modern zinc plated replacements that corrode and take on that dusty gray color. I order all my nuts and bolts raw now or acid dip them to remove zinc. Then they will hold paint and look much nicer (you learn as you go).
To be correct, it is my opinion that the caps were painted the same color as the tractor. In the past I have studied some nice original MM-TC's that still had gray paint on the caps as well as a few early MM's that still had bits of PG on the caps.
Tony

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[QUOTE=RSCurtis;600749]What was the rationale for the engine design with the manifolds on top of the engine?


Also this side valve engine had no pushrods and no lifters.
There was a foot long rocker arm that mounted in a vertical manor and went from the cam lobe to the valve tip.
And yes they were a very good engine available in 165 ci, 185 ci and 206 ci.
Tony

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I get a magazine from Australia TOMM and they have had a lot of tractors and engines lately done without paint and they also coat them with some type of finish and they look better that paint. Ed B.[/QUOTE]


Ed,
The well kept original tractor preserved in its work clothes is rapidly gaining momentum with the serious collector public.
There are several "potions" you can put on them that gives a darker richer appearance, makes any surviving paint and decal colors pop out and provides rust protection.
One of the easiest and cheapest is 50/50 diesel and motor oil....try it, it will amaze you!
Penetrol or owetrol is commercially available for the same look but is more permanent and costly.

Ed,
did you see the original little Allis on steel that I cleaned, oiled and posted on lugs and cleats this last fall?
I out bid the other interested party because they said if they bought it they would take it right home and prep it for paint. I could not let that happen and if you look up that thread you will see why....look under "a coomon tractor in rare condition".
Tony
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Default Re: 1939 Minneapolis Moline ZTS Set

I have a 1939 U that has all the original paint as well as decals still visable. If I would have gotten it sooner it would have been even better as it had set outside for probably 15 years. It was a tractor my dad sold new. He had a dealership. Is has one small dent on the top of the gas tank form a gas can I am sure other than that the tin is perfect.Just yesterday while going through some stuff I found an invoice from M-M to dads store for a new Universal R. Dated 1-27-1941.Rubber tires, high compression heads wheel weights. Invoice total was 644.80. A separate invoice was for fenders for this tractor. Invoice total was 6.80. Fenders were pretty cheap. I suppose they were less with tractor purchase. Serial number listed T403237U. Wander if it survived.
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Dan,
You should try a mild power wash and oil job on that old MM U just for kicks.
Even if it does not run you can still experiment on it with an oil potion. If you have not tried this already you may be pleasently surprized
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Here are some more photos to go with the ones I posted near the start of this thread.
The machine does look nice and is a joy to operate, but I sure feel badly for painting it as I explained earlier in this thread.
The Z is still six volt, has guages, dash light, tail light along with set of three front and rear lights.
The muffler is supposed to be silver, but I think they look like shit that way.
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Tony it is a great runner. I am having a mag issue now but will wait till summer. New rubber on it a strong old tractor
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Dear Tony After seeing the last pic of the MM I'm in love with these tractors all over again. That is one of the most beautiful tractors I ahve ever seen. To bad I got off on a side track [literally] and got into crawlers. This might get me to move the RTS back in the line for restoration. I took it apart in 1988 so I just hope I can find all the pieces again. Oh, I do hug a crawler every day and If I ever figure out how to easily[It's close] post pics here I will be posting some very interesting units. Ed B
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Ed,
I still have a T-shirt with an RTS on it that I bought from you many years ago.

There is a complete little MM RTS (standard like my Z) for sale in NE Iowa if anyone needs a project

Hey GB,
Got anymore pic's of those ZTS's you started this thread with
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ID:	98399 Here is some more pictures of 39's -45F windchill here this morning. I have a 1945 ZTS like yours that runs but needs tires. Also have a 1944 ZTS with cast steering wheel. Have my eye on a local 1943 also.
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