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Old 12-27-2013, 10:59:38 AM
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Jeff; Thanks for the compliment. I know we talked about this before. If whatever the groove was to run it couldn't have used much power, being a round belt, possibly a water pump for auxiliary cooling tank. I have no data on the groove. On the old engines it ran either a fan or pump.
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Mike Quinn, if you are out there call me about your Maynard. I lost your number. Thanks Don
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Hi Denis and to all others interested.

I own a 9 Hp. Tank Cooled engine with exact same tag as shown in post 133 by Don Worley and post 138 by Jeff Wahl. Odd thing about my engine is only the 9 Hp. is stamped on the tag. The other spaces are blank and I've not found any indications of a Serial number any where else on the engine.

I wish this engine could talk it sure must have had a bad accident in it's life. The engine doesn't seem to be worn hard, but the sideshaft side flywheel had the hub broke in about 8 places like if had fallen over on it's side. The other side of the engine has the crankshaft twisted off very nearly flush with the flywheel. The fellow I bought the engine from years ago said it was used in the oil fields in western Pa. and he ran the engine the way it was. The thing that surprised me the flywheels ran nice and true with all the damage. I had Kipp Maggert make a new flywheel using the old one for a pattern and will be fixing the crankshaft when I get around to it.

Are there any other of these engines that are stamped with serial number?

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Hi Denis and to all others interested.

I own a 9 Hp. Tank Cooled engine with exact same tag as shown in post 133 by Don Worley and post 138 by Jeff Wahl. Odd thing about my engine is only the 9 Hp. is stamped on the tag. The other spaces are blank and I've not found any indications of a Serial number any where else on the engine.

Are there any other of these engines that are stamped with serial number?

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On my Jacobson the serial number is stamped on the end of the crank shaft. I don't know if this was a common practice or not on a Jacobson.

Can you confirm that the tag on your engine indicates that the engine was built in Titusville? Most Jacobsons were built in Warren. I would like to see a picture of your Jacobson's tag if you have one.

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Attention to detail at Titusville was lacking. My factory records could list an engine sold with only the hp and purchaser on the bill. You are lucky to get a hp on the tag. They did a much better job listing serial no. for only parts. Most engines from Titusville were not stamped, just the tag. One way to tell an untagged engine that mostly holds true is that the spokes on the Titusville engines do not line up and are off about 5 degrees, Whereas the Warren engines line up. I have seen a few exceptions. If you look at my post #133 you can see that the spokes don't quite line up.
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Here is another Titusville Jacobson and as Don said about the spokes they do not line up. Don possibly you can shed some information on post 142 the 2 1/2hp has a 4" bore and 21 1/2" flywheels and the 4hp has a 4 3/4" and 26 1/2" flywheels. my tank cooled has 21 1/2" flywheels and a 4 3/4" bore. No tag or serial #.
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Don, do you have any more pictures of the engine in post #130 that you can post? Seems to be similar to our 5 HP.
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Here is another Titusville Jacobson and as Don said about the spokes they do not line up. Don possibly you can shed some information on post 142 the 2 1/2hp has a 4" bore and 21 1/2" flywheels and the 4hp has a 4 3/4" and 26 1/2" flywheels. my tank cooled has 21 1/2" flywheels and a 4 3/4" bore. No tag or serial #.
Jim, here is a page out of a Titusville engine flyer sent to me by Don Worley which could be useful to you:

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Hi Denis

I have attached some pictures of the nameplate on my engine as it now sets in my shop awaiting it's turn to get up and running. I took a tape measure and just have a rough size for the bore, looks like about 7-5/8 inches. Flywheels are 38 inches by 3-1/8 inches thick. I believe the remaining paint is from the factory.

I'm all ears if anybody can shed some light on this engine. See what I mean about the crankshaft being twisted off.

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Hello Again

I forgot to ask in my other post, Does anybody have any idea what the factory cooling tank would have look like on an engine like my 9 hp.?

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A collector with some Jacobson engines said that he was leery of turning in engine info for fear that the info would lead to possible theft of his engines by strangers, due to the information gathered.

I want to reassure everyone that I do not share owner's name and/or where they live with anyone. There are no name/addresses entered into the registry of Jacobson engines. I'm only interested in engines as a research project. I hope no one will be insulted to learn that I'm not interested in people but only in engines. :-)

So if you were holding back for any reason, please go ahead and send me the info about your Jacobson and rest assured that there is nothing to worry about.

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Denis

On another subject I know you are always looking at old Ads etc. Have you ever come across anything on The Ohio Mfg. co. concerning the Morton Friction Drive Chassis they sold. I have only ever seen a copy of an old ad which stated they made the chassis to fit from 6 to 50 hp. engines.

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It looks like the shaft was broken where the shaft was turned down for the clutch pulley.
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Here is something to muddy the waters. Charles Jacobson ended out in Saratoga Springs. Never have seen one or even heard of one. You will note founded 1903.
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Ive tried to send a literature sheet that I have, but I cant seem to get my old printer to match up w/ my new laptop. I believe the it is Jacobson #36. You guys are doing a superb job gathering information and were all very greatful; thank you. So far Ive learned that the fluted hoppers were Ward engines,but I havent figured out the vertical vs horizontal governors. Are the horizontal's early? Thanks again for a great job guys. Tim
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Both govs. were at the same time. On the shaft is a Bullseye. Vertical is a Jacobson, however Jacobson used both-what ever they had on hand for a Jacobson engine. You will not find a Bullsye with a vertical.
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The manufacturing of vises was an important part of the Jacobson Machine Mfg. Co. of Warren, Pa. from as early as 1900, even long before they started making engines. Seems like by 1906 Jacobson in need of funds to build gasoline engines sold their vise manufacturing concern to Rock Island interests as stated in this January 1907 newspaper article:

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Factory photo of a tank cooled engine with Elkhart mag and Jacobson regulator. The buyer usually supplied the water source. The early Bullseye catalog shows a kerosene engine with a screen cooler which is the same as used on the old headless engines, of which I have an original example.
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