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An Older LeBlond lathe Comes Home


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Old 04-08-2006, 01:23:27 PM
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Default An Older LeBlond lathe Comes Home

Howdy Folks,
I just was given an old LeBlond lathe.
Does anyone have one like this with a patent number on it?
I sure would like to know what the patent number is.
This one just says the pat. has been applied for.
So,, I guess it was built between the date the pat. was applied for and around the time when the pat. was issued.
I sure would like to find info about this lathe.
Are there manual copies available anywhere?

Here are six pictures I just took.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rustah....jpg&.src=mail

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Another bit of info,
As you can see in one of the pictures when it was removed from the line shaft someone installed a Detriot 4-speed gear-box.

It came to me free, but the P.O. took his motor off it.
No problem,, I have a 1-phase, 3 H.P. 3450 RPM motor for it.
Any advise as to how fast this thing should turn?
I need to learn what size of double pulley I should be looking for.

Alan Bowen
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Default Re: An Older LeBlond lathe Comes Home

Tony Griffiths' site is a huge resource for anything machine tool related, there is a section for LeBlond:

http://www.lathes.co.uk/leblond/index.html

Manuals for certain LeBlond models are also mentioned on this page.

Peter

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Another bit of info,
As you can see in one of the pictures when it was removed from the line shaft someone installed a Detriot 4-speed gear-box.

It came to me free, but the P.O. took his motor off it.
No problem,, I have a 1-phase, 3 H.P. 3450 RPM motor for it.
Any advise as to how fast this thing should turn?
I need to learn what size of double pulley I should be looking for.

Alan Bowen
For a High Speed Steel tool you want about 100 feet per minute surface speed. This is about 200 RPM on a 2 inch diameter work piece. Work your way back through whatever pulleys and gears are there to figure what the motor needs.

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Keith,
Thanks for the info. I can easily take it from there.
The four speed gearbox is
1- 4 to 1
2- 3 to 1
3- 2 to 1
4- direct drive
I will shoot 200 RPM in 4th gear then have a lot of slower speeds available.
It is a good place to start anyway. If I need to change the double pulley later that is always an option.

Peter,
Thanks for the site.
I didn't see anything like my lathe there though. The ones he shows just are not old enough. The ones shown with the open line shaft pulleys don't have a five step pulley like mine does. Plus,,, the back gear on mine is just a straight shaft with out that two speed shifter on it. It also looks like it operates differently.

There must be someone reading this that has a really old LeBlond lathe like mine with a patent number on it. I need to see one like mine with a known patent number so I can look up the patent and see when it was filed and when it was granted. This lathe must have been built between those dates.

Alan Bowen
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Old 04-11-2006, 02:13:45 PM
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Ok Folks,

I called the LeBlond company.

The Tech. guy told me where to look for the serial number.

What I found suprised them, but not me.



Lot 2 No. 4

Then a stamped date of 1 1897

We are in agreement. That is the date it was built.

From talking to them I believe the very first 14 inch lathes were Lot 1.

They started building them in 1892 when LeBlond got his first patent.

Before then they were building lathes for other companys.

Then this 16 or 17 inch lathe was called Lot 2.

This lathe would be under a different patent number probably with a reference to the earlier one. Mine was built after they applied for the patent, but before it was granted.

This old machine was the 4th lathe built in the 2nd lot.

Later they went on to a lot of different lot numbers and built 12 of each lot.

Then in 1905 they quit using lot numbers and started using serial numbers that started with a letter or two.

I guess there might not be any manual that covers this old girl.

Direct quote from the leBlond web site.
"Then in 1997, LeBlond Lathe Parts was founded to focus on the service and support of all LeBlond lathe equipment manufactured since 1887."

I guess that is not actually true. 8>)))

Alan Bowen
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For anyone else with an old LeBlond lathe, and wondering how old it is, look at the top of the lathe bed, tailstock end, the serial number is stamped there. Then email Leblond, they will tell you when it left the factory, and sometimes who bought it.

I just did this awhile back for friend, LeBlond mailed back stating it left there in 1910, but the buyer wasn't listed for that one.
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I picked up a older LeBlond last summer also and I just went to the Leblond website and filled out the form. We will see if I hear anything.

This one according to the cast in letters is a 21 Leblond Heavy Duty and has the 2 speed back gear. Serial number NF 3522. It weighs about 5200 pounds and has 6 Really Neat Drip oilers
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Well, Just like clockwork I heard from Roger at Leblond today and mine dates to 1917. I would have geussed later than that as it's a quickchange.

I find it rather surprising that it has survived all these years with the 6 matched brass sight feed oilers that it came with.

I added the drive all unit as I had saved if from another old lathe. The Big Johnson Bar Lever in front of the cone pulley is the shifter for the 2 speed back gear.

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Ken, your'e lathe appears to be in quite decent shape,, and as you say, amazing that those 6 oilers are still on it.
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Well I was drilling a hole to repair a steam engine steering auger today so I thought I would take a couple pics.

I did graft the 10 inch 3 jaw on it to make it easier to turn small round things. I have the steady rest, Follow rest and it came with a taper attachment and you can see the 4 jaw under it. The only thing I found wrong with it is they did cut a short piece out of the inner way to turn short larger things. But it's not a problem as the tailstock don't go up that far anyway.

I was looking for an old club of a lathe for quite a while as once in a while I need to turn something larger. A Fellow Stacker found this for me in Michigan
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Hello Alan
I work out of our shop that was started back in 1908 by my grandfather and his partner. The youtube site is Tonopah treasures 1. 2. 3. I don't know how to attach but in the verily all the machines I use daily are similiar to what you have. It is a very good machine to last us for over 100 years. Good luck and enjoy the machine. PS. Also at the above link of 100 year old shop.
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G'day folks,
Whilst i am not really a steamy i am a lover of old machines. Ken, i was blown away when i saw the picture of your lathe. I'll be honest and say your lathe is the reason i joined this forum. It is the only other Heavy Duty from that era i have ever seen. Mine is S/N ND4298 a 17" with an 8' bed dated 1915. It is currently completely stripped down, the bed is due to be planned sometime later this year and it is all being painted and scraped back to factory spec.

I do have some bad news for you though, those drip oilers are not original. The headstock bearings have self contained oil wells and wicks, the gearbox oiling points have felt pads and piping. If you pry of the 1 1/2" round caps that the drip oilers are threaded into you will find whats left of the wicks etc.

I have some old LeBlond literature here if you are interested-a brochure from 1911 and an article from a booklet called "New Machinery and Tools"

Cheers from Australia,
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Well I will have to investigate that. But if you go to Tony's site here http://www.lathes.co.uk/leblond/index.html you will find that some original lathes did have the drip oilers on the spindle bearings. I'm thinking this could have been an option ?

I do know the spindle bearing are getting oil because if I leave the oilers on it ends up on the floor.
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Alan, I can't get the picture link to work. Takes me to Flickr??
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Had to put this pictures on here. My Grandfather got this lathe in 1926. It is a 1910 16-18" Lathe made by W.F. & J Barnes Co. from Rockford Ill. Still gets use everyday and is a very good running lathe. Our oilers on the main bearings run oil out on the floor all the time, but a least you know they are getting oil.
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Hi all Just got an old LeBlond lathe. It,s a 14" and just found out today from the company that it was the last lathe built in 1906. Will try to send a picture.
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Hydraulically driven?
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Yes, the former owner put a 7 1/2 HP motor pump and hydraulic motor that can vary the speed and change direction. Bill H.
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Another bit of info,
As you can see in one of the pictures when it was removed from the line shaft someone installed a Detriot 4-speed gear-box.

It came to me free, but the P.O. took his motor off it.
No problem,, I have a 1-phase, 3 H.P. 3450 RPM motor for it.
Any advise as to how fast this thing should turn?
I need to learn what size of double pulley I should be looking for.

Alan Bowen
most machine tools use a 1750 rpm or slower
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