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Antique Army Generator with Briggs ZZ


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Old 03-26-2015, 08:18:20 PM
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I have been fortunate to get this old military surplus (?) generator that had been used at a remote cabin in the 1960's. It hasn't been run since the 1980's (after power was brought in to the location) and now I would like to restore it. It doesn't have an identification plate but a side plate has numbers on it. ZZ 308144 176255 020 015 Im guessing a Briggs and Stratton (ZZ) but what year and is it old army surplus? This will be a great project and I want to do it right. Thanks in advance for any suggestions or help.
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april 44. type 308144, s/n 176255, look here.

http://www.flywheelers.com/pages/BobLearned/mdate2.htm
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Ahhhh, thank you very much. I'll be looking for parts soon.
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:26:33 PM
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The generator might be Leland. Not very many manufacturers made the square ish frames.
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I have the screen guard for the belt and pulleys. I bought an engine on the frame years ago minus the generator. It is a ZZ. 6hp.
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I had one of those several years ago that I bought at Jacktown. It was in very nice shape and ran perfectly. However, be aware that it's not a true 120V generator- each leg is 60 volts.
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Thanks for that bit of information. I'm not an electrical wizard so im going to have to research exactly what that means. I recall it running regular light bulbs when it worked but I can't remember how many. I won't be using it to actually do anything, more just restoring it as a project. Do you have any connections for parts I may need?
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That's a PE-73 Gen set. WW2 vintage. The engine should be a Briggs model ZZ.
Some where around here I have an original manual for one of these.......
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Thanks for letting me know that, it would be an interesting story to hear how a USA WW 2 generator came to be powering a cabin in the 50-60's in British Columbia, Canada. I would love to buy a copy of your manual. Also, any tips of parts suppliers? A replacement fuel tank or re-pop is definitely needed. I would like to research parts before starting an overhaul, otherwise it might just best be left in "as is" condition.
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I am thinking it is a pe 75. I have a few of the manuals, and about 6 of the generators.

Weighs in at 340 lbs if i remember right. Should have two wooden handles on each side. Take them out, put in the ends and it is a 4 man lift.
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I believe you are right, a PE-75 as it looks exactly like the ones I've seen on YouTube. I'll look for a dolly to wheel it around on. Hoping to find a few parts, clean it up, and get it running for no other reason that I love doing that sort of stuff.
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I'd consider using it. Military gen sets, of that era, were designed to put their rated output into the wires all day long, not just "surge" rating with a significantly lower "run" rating. Pretty much bullet proof.
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I had the luxury of picking up a NOS PE-75 two summers ago. Mine has all of the original decals, bells & whistles that it would have had from the factory, including many NOS parts in the toolbox, and a decommissioning manual which shows you how to destroy the unit if an enemy is approaching! I didnt have to put much into mine to get it working again, maybe 30 hours of cleaning/lubricating/regreasing the engine and generator, making sure everything worked like it should. After that it started up in one pull after sitting for 70 years! Its a really neat looking piece, but its quite finicky during operation. I despise those two piece flo-jet carburetors, and bought a slew of Marvel Schebler TCX carburetors for it, I just havent had the chance to actually rebuild one and fit it to the unit. The Leland 2500 watt generator head has no internal voltage regulator, so forget about running any modern electronics with it. Ive run mine for a while running lights and an electric heater, and boy does it get loud under load! You would think that a 2200rpm 6hp engine wouldnt use too much fuel, but boy was I wrong, its a very thirsty engine. Memory tells me it would run 40 minutes to 1 gallon of fuel. I have a thread on smokstak about it, and a few videos on youtube. If you need any pictures or anything feel free to ask,

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I had the luxury of picking up a NOS PE-75 two summers ago. Mine has all of the original decals, bells & whistles that it would have had from the factory, including many NOS parts in the toolbox, and a decommissioning manual which shows you how to destroy the unit if an enemy is approaching! I didnt have to put much into mine to get it working again, maybe 30 hours of cleaning/lubricating/regreasing the engine and generator, making sure everything worked like it should. After that it started up in one pull after sitting for 70 years! Its a really neat looking piece, but its quite finicky during operation. I despise those two piece flo-jet carburetors, and bought a slew of Marvel Schebler TCX carburetors for it, I just havent had the chance to actually rebuild one and fit it to the unit. The Leland 2500 watt generator head has no internal voltage regulator, so forget about running any modern electronics with it. Ive run mine for a while running lights and an electric heater, and boy does it get loud under load! You would think that a 2200rpm 6hp engine wouldnt use too much fuel, but boy was I wrong, its a very thirsty engine. Memory tells me it would run 40 minutes to 1 gallon of fuel. I have a thread on smokstak about it, and a few videos on youtube. If you need any pictures or anything feel free to ask,

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how do i find videos of it?
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Thanks Chris, very interesting to hear what you had to say. I think for now I'll just enjoy cleaning it up and getting it running as I love projects like this. I think if I can get a fuel tank, muffler, and maybe a carb kit that will be all it it needs as the rest is just cosmetic. It sat neglected for a very long time in a generator shed close to the ocean so it might be questionable if it's worthwhile. I'll check out your YouTube videos and thread. I will be sure to ask if I have any questions while tackling this project.
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Awesome. I have the same green colored ZZ. And our serial numbers are not far apart. Strong runners these are! My muffler is marked 'Nelson'.
(Pics attached) also, my video can be seen on youtube (briggs ZZ engine cold start)
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The generator should be a 2500 watt Kurtz and Root.........I had an identical unit, minus the engine, given to me. I tore the generator apart and found that some idiot had run the pulley end bearing dry until it froze........then kept running it so the armature shaft spun in the bearing! I pulled the entire armature out, arc welded the massive groove in the shaft, straightened it and turned it back down to size on my lathe. I then installed brand new bearings in both ends and that generator is now powered by my Listeroid diesel as a standby unit for my house.

They made good, rebuildable stuff back then.

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