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Old 01-10-2010, 08:59:51 PM
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Default Johnson Iron Horse Identified

Greetings, just stumbled accross this while pursuing a new interest in old Maytag hit and miss engines.

I stumbled accross this old Briggs and Startton Motor and may pick it up but can someone ID the model and year?

The angled cylinder is really throwing me off as I cannot find anything like it on the net.

Also, did Briggs and Stratton make a hit and miss motor?

thanks!!
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:04:09 PM
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Default Re: 1920's Briggs & Stratton - ID NEEDED!!

I'm pretty sure that is not a briggs & stratton engine. It is probably a Johnson iron horse or something else.
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:12:52 PM
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Default Re: 1920's Briggs & Stratton - ID NEEDED!!

REO's made one on the slant also but I believe thats an Iron Horse.
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:18:17 PM
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Default Re: 1920's Briggs & Stratton - ID NEEDED!!

Like Mike & Randy said. It's not Briggs & no they never made a hitnmiss. In later years they did produce a 2 cycle and just recent in years, came out with an outboard motor but thats about the only thing off that they ever did.

I'd say thats an Iron Horse which is still a collectable engine. They are gaining in value and they are a good engine all the same.

I'd place that Iron Horse Circa 1940's.
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Default Re: 1920's Briggs & Stratton - ID NEEDED!!

wow, that was quick. I do not know if it is a hit and miss, just that its old! The listing has it as a Briggs....its listed for $100,

is it a good deal?
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That's a Johnson Iron Horse with a non-original gas tank and it is not a hit and miss engine. It is throttle governed. It should have a small rectangular tank with a suction fuel pickup and check valve. That engine will have a very fragile little pot metal carb on it. Unless it's in perfect shape, the engine will not run right, if at all. Those carbs are hard to find. Personally, I think the price is a little steep. If it happens to run good the way it sits, I might give $75 for it.
What matters is, if it turns you on and you feel it's worth the money, then go for it.

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Seeing as how its going to be your first I would use that $100.00 to buy a vintage Briggs thats worth the $100.00 and you will be that much happier.
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Hi I have a engine that is somewhat like that but it is a slant cylinder CONTINENTAL MULTI-TOOL model AA7. It has a shroud over the engine and gas tank and has a centrifugal clutch with a step pulley.I have not seen one like this before.How many of these were made? How much is it worth? Thanks Roger
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Default Re: 1920's Briggs & Stratton - ID NEEDED!!

Roger,
The Continental engines are fairly common, but I have never seen one with all the shrouding like yours. I have no idea on the value, but the Continentals don't seem to have much of a collector following. I do know that they were very popular in quarter midget race cars.
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That is a iron horse made in Peterbrough ON. I have a bunch of them and great runners. Around here you can find runners for $100-$150. I would have most parts for it including a name tag and carb if you get it.
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Roger,
I have seen a few of those multi-tool engines. They made a ton of them in the 50's and 60's, but it never really caught on. I have one thats overhauled and is powering a table saw, if you ever want to part with yours let me know, I think im one of the only guys with a Continental collection.
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Jeff Holz in NJ has an extensive collection of Contenental engines. At last count, he had over 90 of them, in almost any variation they made. He also had a big collection of Contenental paperwork and manuals too. The connies used a 60 degree bank cylinder. The 7 head bolt versions were used as racing engines. I believe that the iron horse 4 cycle also used that angle. REO used a 45 degree cylinder on their cast iron engines.
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The Continental Multi-Tool is a portable power tool system. There is a Model AA7 2 hp engine inside the convenient carrying case, and there were a number of power take off tools that could be attached to the output shaft. Kind of like an early O & R concept, except the engine sits nearby and the tools are flex shaft driven. About 1950.
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I have a 2-cycle Ironhores model LP-1103 and can't find any info on it. It uses a co-op C-34. I can't find aplug for the engine. Would you know what plug it would take? I can't find a conversion chart for the plug.
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The engine in post 1 is a Johnson Iron Horse. Most likely a X400 series due to the removable cylinder and the mechanical governor. Production began at Peterboro Ontario Canada and Waukegan Illinois in 1935 and continued in Canada until 1952. During the seventeen years of production there were approximately two hundred and fifty thousand engines made in Canada this does not include generator sets as they had there own series of serial numbers. As production ended it turned to a two-cycle aluminum engine with a horizontal crankshaft. These engines filled the gap left by the original Iron Horse and would also be used on washing machines, lawn mowers etc. As for the spark plugs for these engines I use Champion CJ8 (short reach) or equivalent in both the 4 and 2 cycles. I have 9 - 4 cycle Iron-Horses all different models, a 4 cycle generator and 1 - 2 cycle Iron-Horse. Martin Pope and Bill Prior are two stakers that know a lot about these engines. They have been helpful to me in dating these engines. Bill Sherlock another staker has helped me with info on the 2 cycle Iron-Horses...... Jim
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Here are the Iron Horse 2 cycle engine models from a 1955 brochure. I have a pair of FHs.
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