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Old 08-13-2012, 04:26:48 PM
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I have seen these Chinese clone engines online and I am wondering if they are worth buying?
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:36:23 PM
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There is a mojor retailer in my area which sells both the Honda and the Chinese knock offs side by side. The Honda goes for 500.00 or so while the Chinese goes for about 150.00. The Honda carries a excellent warranty while the Chinese does not have any. They also caution you when you are buying the Chinese one that's it only good for about 50 hours that then it's garbage hence... you get what you pay for.

I never really understood what my father used to say until later in life. We are too poor to buy cheap.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:41:38 PM
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I know a contractor who runs over 200 of them. He buys from HF, gets extended warranty. Brings back duds, no problem - promptly given a replacement.
Says about 1/4 fail within few days, about 1/2 make about year of 5 day use, about one in 5 runs past warranty period and is sold.

His attitude is that he can buy 4 or 5 for cost of name like Honda, and he hopes they fail shortly before warranty ends. That keeps his costs down - no maintainance - only scheduled oil changes.
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Honestly, I have seen some of the Chinese engines go through some serious abuse on construction sites and they just keep on going. In my experience, they seem to be just as good as the Honda engines. I'm sure the quality control doesn't compare, so there probably are some bad ones.
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Some of them are darn good engines. Those Liquid Combustion Technologies engines (LCT), are great. They are the company contracted to build the new Tecumsehs (Lausons).

Like most Chinese engines, they are component driven. Meaning that you replace sub-assemblies, rather than individual parts.
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Old 08-13-2012, 07:12:12 PM
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Honestly, I have seen some of the Chinese engines go through some serious abuse on construction sites and they just keep on going. In my experience, they seem to be just as good as the Honda engines. I'm sure the quality control doesn't compare, so there probably are some bad ones.
I've had great luck with them on our off road buggies, and we even have the governors removed on them. They can take a serious beating for the money. I have 3 200cc 6.5hp Harbor Frieghts, one 420cc 15hp Lifan (Home Depot), and one 420cc 16hp DuroMax (Maxtool). All of the have hard lives. There quality is not as good as the Honda's they were copied from, but who can argue with a complete 6.5hp engine for $99. Here are some pics of mine, and my kids karts.
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I think, if it were not for the inability to readily get parts, Iwould not have aproblem withthem. However, I am disheartened
by the lack of USA manufacturing. Perhaps some enterprising plants and distributors could make cheap replacement parts.
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They've made a big dent in Birggs's go kart engine business.(The racing karts) And they are of good enough quality to be worth what they cost. Toss it and buy another one.
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Here is what I have found, my HF engine on my troy bilt horse has over 100hours and no issues, and honda parts fit! Also B&S now sells one that is Chinese made and all the parts interchange with the HF engine (i.e. Carb) also there has grown a huge racing parts market around these engines for those who cant afford the B&S animal or world series cart engines
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I know a contractor who runs over 200 of them. He buys from HF, gets extended warranty. Brings back duds, no problem - promptly given a replacement.
Says about 1/4 fail within few days, about 1/2 make about year of 5 day use, about one in 5 runs past warranty period and is sold.

His attitude is that he can buy 4 or 5 for cost of name like Honda, and he hopes they fail shortly before warranty ends. That keeps his costs down - no maintainance - only scheduled oil changes.
This is what bugs me the most. How much of the worlds resources go on the scrap heap before we get smarter. Surely its not all about a quick buck?
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I know a contractor who runs over 200 of them. He buys from HF, gets extended warranty. Brings back duds, no problem - promptly given a replacement.
Says about 1/4 fail within few days, about 1/2 make about year of 5 day use, about one in 5 runs past warranty period and is sold.
I do believe they are or will be getting better that's for sure. What a lot of folks don't understand is that they are not the same build quality as say a Honda and in my area, they are just not worth trying to fix. The people I deal with seem to take offence to that fact thinking it's just as good as a Honda. The same goes for these Honda knockoff dirt bikes. Once they are broke, toss 'em and buy another. You might get a day, week or a year outta' it. The above quote is the proof. I guess it's just the manufacture reaching a certain price point. So if you want to make a go kart for your kid buy it and have fun beating the heck outta' it, but if you need say a water pump for a brush fire... Read the above quote once more.
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Excellent point kammer. Need to fit the "tool" to the application.
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Harbor Freight has the Honda Knock off if you have to see one in person and there is one of those stores near by.
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Colemans uses a knockoff in their small generaters. It runs about 50 hours and wipes out. (plastic cam destroys itself, then parts of gets in the engine bearings, wiping them out too.
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What people also don't understand, is not all of these Chinese engines are the same. HF engines.... you take your chances. LCT engines.... I'd put one up against a comparable Briggs any day. The parts may interchange between the Chinese engines, they may even be built in the same place....but I've seen quite a difference in quality among all the various Honda knockoffs.
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If I were in need of an engine, I would simply go down to the local mower shop or scan ebay/craigslist. You can get a good Wisconsin or Briggs engine for less than any of these new Chinese clone engines; it will last for ever with basic maintenance and you will have the piece of mind that the engine is not going to blow up on you

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just think... maybe in fifty years collectors will paint up old knock offs and bring em to shows
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just think... maybe in fifty years collectors will paint up old knock offs and bring em to shows
I have no doubt they will. They're here, like it or not. And they are commanding a larger share of the market each year.
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Hello,
I needed a lawn mower about 4 years ago. Went shopping around and found Home Despot had Cub Cadet push mowers for sale. I paid a extra $100 over another brand mower, because I figured the Cub was a better mower! It didn't get past the second mowing, the next year! I found out that it was a knock off engine! Of coarse the warranty was no good. Pulled the valve cover and the casting that the rocker arms were attached to had busted off at the base! Looked for parts, and found out nobody made spare parts for them!!!!! I would of been better off going to Wally World and buying a new mower every year and tossing the old one (for about $200 cheaper)! I now run a old Gravley walk behind with a rotary mower on it. It's old (late 70's) but it's a lot better than the crap they sell now!

In my opinion, don't waste you're money!

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I have great luck buying used B&S powered mowers for $25.00- 50.00. Don't start -take it free or 25.00. Runs - & self propelled, closer to 50.00.
Usually clean filter, change oil, clean carb, gap plug, sharpen & balance blade - good to go for years. Sometimes have to buy new blade or replace sheared key or wheels because plastic bearing is too wobbly.

I lay up properly for winter, if in good shape, and someone asks, often sell in spring for $75.00 + a non working one.
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