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I wondered what was happening to the Lancaster that used to sit on a concrete pylon near the waterfront in Toronto .Well it appears the city wants to be rid of anything even remotely war like so it will likely end up in British Columbia of all places . From the Toronto Sun

Spectators watch an operational Avro Lancaster fly near Winnipeg's James Richardson International Airport in August, 2009. (Toronto Sun files)

There’s a fight coming at City Hall over the fate of a famed Second World War bomber.

An Avro Lancaster, formerly displayed outdoors near Ontario Place, may be packed off to British Columbia.

But not if a group called Toronto Lancaster FM104EVER has anything to do with it.

That group — headed up by relatives of veterans who flew the heavy bombers during the war — wants to take over restoration work and eventually display the Lancaster right here in the city.

They say it’s only fitting, as the plane was built in Malton during the war. It’s one of the 430 Lancasters built in Canada by Avro; world-wide, there are only 17 Lancasters left. The plane is an important historical artifact.


On Friday, members of the city’s economic development committee will vote on whether to donate it to the British Columbia Aviation Museum. That would save Toronto the $25,000 it currently pays annually to store the Lancaster. The city has no budget for restoration, no space to display the aircraft and no resources to properly care for it at museum standards. The B.C. Aviation Museum, on the other hand, can do the right thing by the Lancaster, and will both restore it and display it to the public.

Well, just a damn minute, says Lynn Berry.

The head of Toronto Lancaster FM104EVER and its 1,200 members, Berry and co-head Dan Grant have a mission: to get Lancaster FM 104 back in Toronto for restoration and public display ASAP.


(FACEBOOK –#savelancasterfm104 the city of toronto lancaster fm104ever)

(Recent history: the plane left its lakeside perch in 1999 and was shipped to Downsview to be part of the Canadian Air and Space Museum. After that facility closed in 2011, the Lancaster was stored, first at Pearson, and then at an aerodrome in Stayner .)

Berry’s uncle was killed while serving as a Lancaster tail gunner for the Royal Air Force. Grant’s cousin was killed returning from a bombing mission over Berlin.

In a phone interview earlier this week, Berry said she feels the city has not acted in good faith. She claims nobody told her group that a search was underway for a new home for the plane.

“They want us to go away. They weren’t prepared for some crazy little group, as I think they refer to us. Everybody else had a five month head start — they contacted all these museums, and we found out about it through a U.K. magazine. It’s discouraging.”

Berry believes the city has done their search secretly and without letting taxpayers know about it.

“They’re letting everything go — the [warship] Haida, the guns, the tank (Second World War artifacts formerly near Ontario Place) — they’re getting rid of everything that’s part of our history, without public consultation.

“How dare they?”

The city has been clear since 1998 that their collecting mandate does not include large military objects. Council’s preferred method of divesting itself of such deaccessioned objects is, “Transfer as a donation, exchange for another object, or sale to another museum or public institution whose mission is relevant to the deaccessioned item, who will adequately care for the object, and who can assure public access.”

Moreover, Mike Williams, general manager of the city’s economic development and culture division, says finding a home for the Lancaster “was an open, public process that involved contacting any museum that would potentially have an interest in this artifact.”

Five organizations expressed their interest in the Lancaster, says Williams, including Berry’s group; for financial and other reasons they were not viewed as a viable option by the city.

Meanwhile, Berry says her group, which includes pilots, veterans, restoration specialists, mechanics and historians, has found a storage facility where the plane parts could be held. And she claims that Inukshuk Park, near the entrance to Ontario Place, is a perfect location for a new building where the plane, once restored, could be displayed.

Berry believes the city dismissed their bid because her group does not represent an established museum. She wants to appeal directly to the mayor.

“Mr. (John) Tory, what are you thinking? We have a Lancaster bomber! This would be such a tourist draw,” says Berry. “We’ve designed the building in such a way that school children could come, as part of their education, and watch the plane being restored … Our veterans, God love them, we’re losing 10 and 20 of them a day. Do it out of fairness to them!”

Berry and her organization will attend Friday’s meeting.

Their Facebook group is #SaveLancasterFM104 “The City of Toronto”

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If Toronto does not want it maybe they could find it a good home.I cannot see any place better then the CWHM in Hamilton.Maybe the CASM at Downsview could take it?
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for those with Facebook access ..............https://www.facebook.com/search/top/...er%20fm104ever
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I would certainly like to see it stay in Toronto or Hamilton .Bill H.
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god bless you,remembering your past and the men and women who served,theres a lot of libs out there that would paint you as a war monger,funny though, there the first to turn rabbit when it comes to defending your country,s freedom....
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for those with Facebook access ..............https://www.facebook.com/search/top/...er%20fm104ever


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I joined that group on FB yesterday and it looks as if they have alot of support form the people of Toronto aswell as the rest of Ontario,Canada and world wide to save it and keep it in Toronto in its same location.If all else fails i still think the CWHM would be a better place for it
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I just read a book by Andrew Carswell . He was a 17 year old guy from Toronto that was a Lancaster pilot and shot down over Germany and spent the rest of the war as a POW. Google his name , there's a video of him and some info. Bill H
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A update here ...http://torontosun.com/news/local-new...-high#comments

Looks like while they have bought some time there is strong opposition to staying here in toronto .
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Spectators watch an operational Avro Lancaster fly near Winnipeg's James Richardson International Airport in August, 2009. (Toronto Sun files)

Sometimes in the darkest hour, hope takes wing.

Just when a local group thought they’d lost the battle to keep an historic Avro Lancaster bomber in Southern Ontario — where it was built — a Hamilton museum has offered to help. The Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum has made an 11th-hour bid for the airplane to keep it from being sent to a museum in British Columbia.

It’s a big relief to the Toronto Lancaster FM104EVER group, which has been trying to keep the Lancaster from leaving Toronto. The Lancaster FM104EVER group has 1,200 members and consists of veterans’ relatives, pilots, historians, restorers and Second World War aircraft aficionadi.

Toronto Lancaster FM104EVER met with the city’s economic development committee last spring and asked for enough time to put a financial proposal together. Their hope was to find a way to keep the plane here, fully restore it, and put it on public display.


Tour guide Mike Muzzerall stands next to the front section of an Avro Lancaster outside the National Air Force Museum of Canada Thursday, November 23, 2017 in Trenton, Ont. It flew 12 bombing missions during the Second World War and then performed a variety of military duties in Canada until 1964. It’s now being restored at the museum and set for display in 2024. Luke Hendry / Luke Hendry/The Intelligencer

The committee was, and still is, inclined to let the plane go to the British Columbia Aviation Museum. That museum has offered to ship the plane west, restore it and put it on public display — assuming all costs along the way.


The Lancaster FM104EVER group was shocked to think that this historic airplane could end up outside the province. The Lancaster, built in Malton during the war, is one of the 430 Lancasters built in Canada by Avro.

Many Torontonians remember this plane perched lakeside near Ontario Place in years past. World-wide, there are only 17 Lancasters left.

Nonetheless, last week the economic development committee confirmed that they will recommend the plane go to the B.C. museum. City Council votes on that recommendation July 23.


News came last Thursday that salvation might be at hand for the Lancaster, courtesy of the the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum. David G. Rohrer, President and CEO (and current Lancaster pilot) of Hamilton’s Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, said in a phone interview that the plane needs to stay in the Golden Horseshoe area to represent the 10,000 Toronto workers who built the planes.

His museum has the only remaining Lancaster in North America that still flies. Rohrer’s group has always been interested in the Toronto plane, but made a decision not to get in the way of the Lancaster FM104EVER group.

When it became obvious that the group would not prevail, Rohrer stepped in, proposing a 10-year restoration project to bring the plane back to running taxiable condition.
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The people in BC look like they can give it a good home:

https://www.bcam.net/on-display/

But, there is no doubt that Hamilton could really make something out of it.
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There was a controversy a few years back when the Mosquito owned by the City of Calgary could possibly leave the country. It seems to have found a good home in Alberta:

http://www.bombercommandmuseum.ca/pr...ymosquito.html
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