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Scale Models 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, ect


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Old 05-26-2007, 03:02:22 PM
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It has a marsh reverse gear, the tank and coal bunker look like a advance. The rest of the engine, well I am trying to figure that out. It is a well built engine heavy boiler, gearing is heavy. They did a good job mounting all of the parts. It fires easy, vary few hours on the motor and boiler. It is a good size half scale. It is verry simple built nothing fancy. I will get some pics here in a few days.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:15:55 PM
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I made a test run with my engine last sunday. for the most part all went well. I have a new respect for a marsh valve gear, mine was way off. I had to teach my self to set it this week. I thought of a marsh valve gear as cheep junk. After about 10 hours working with it this week I have learned it is a verry good valve gear I like the way it works. I am still trying to figure out what they were trying to modle, aside from the valve gear and the platform what is it?
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:32:19 PM
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Whatever you call it, from the pics that sure looks like a nicely constructed engine. The builder saved a lot of time and money on buying and machining castings and came out with a great looking machine. So many of these free lance look rather poorly concieved and thrown togehter, this one looks to me every bit a nice as a from castings built engine. I am a bit surprised the inspected actaully approved 230psi, is the construction documented? But, like you said 175 should do nicely.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:11:56 PM
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The boiler is only approved for 175. The UT was better than I expected, the boiler is as good as the day it was built. There are no blue prints for the boiler. The materal code for the seamless tube for the barrel was cut in half part of it is under the weld at the the wraper the other is on the smoke box. The boiler was built near rushvile Indana, there is a sister to it some were. I am impressed with the welds on both the engine mounting brackets and the boiler. I have seen code boilers that are not as well built.
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Old 06-29-2007, 11:01:27 PM
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Here is a picture of the other side, not a lot of deail. Some wite washing machine gave it's gear box for the steering, there is also one less set of F20 gears around.
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Old 06-29-2007, 11:20:25 PM
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Nice steamer Jmathews! What is the boiler Diameter?
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Old 06-29-2007, 11:28:12 PM
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The barrel is 12in diameter, the dome is 8x8, the fire box is 19x9.
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:15:38 AM
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I made a test run with my engine last sunday. for the most part all went well. I have a new respect for a marsh valve gear, mine was way off. I had to teach my self to set it this week. I thought of a marsh valve gear as cheep junk. After about 10 hours working with it this week I have learned it is a verry good valve gear I like the way it works. I am still trying to figure out what they were trying to modle, aside from the valve gear and the platform what is it?
JJ if you look at some of the pictures that have been posted here I believe that it is a fine rendition of an Advance Rumely, complete with the round water barrel and square coal bunker. I have run and looked after an Advance Rumely for many years and I will be the first to tell you that the Marsh reverse is a very fine valve gear with its distinctive sharp exhaust and snappy throttle response. Looks like they did a great job but it does need that special guard over the differential gears and it would be just about complete.
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:29:44 AM
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The steam dome is to short for a advance, it should be farther fwd. There is only the rear draft door advance should have one in the front. The sight glass is mounted in the middle of the fire box (at the soft piug), advance thrasher used this, most of those engines were side mounts. This engine is a rear mount with bolt on wing sheets some what like a case.
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Old 07-01-2007, 12:05:45 PM
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JJ I know what you are saying as I saw that from the pictures that it wasn't an exact copy but hey it's someones idea what it looks like right. Maybe it was built by memory without the use of plans, or maybe it was built from necessity or lack of proper materials to make it 100% authentic, or maybe it was built by someone that just wanted a model and had those pieces to work with. Any how they did a great job on it and if it had the right Advance Rumely decals on the tanks and the distinctive guard on the gears 95% of the people who see you running it wouldn't know any difference. I think that you may be spending a loooooong time trying to find an engine that was built exactly like the model.
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Old 07-02-2007, 01:05:23 AM
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The second test run was today, I have found more bugs to work out. My son got a couple of hours of good drive time in today. He has figured out the meaning of a rear mounted water glass. In all it was a good day. The disapontment of things not working right was of set by fealing good about leting my son go off by him self. I have never gotten to far away before.
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:11:37 PM
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Here are some pics of my grandfather's engine; Stan Miner of Howell, Mi. Sadly he past winter before last but his engine is still running. He built this 1/3 scale of a case 65 hp over a couple of years finishing around 1975. Except for the engine castings he made everything.
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Old 07-21-2007, 03:23:03 PM
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Not sure if this is kosher, if not, just remove it.... but I just listed some cylinder castings (3" x 4") over on enginads. I was going to use them on my project, but I found a Mason steam car engine that someone cut in half that I'm going to use instead... (I got the right hand half, so it's gonna look...interesting)

On that note, if there is anyone who has a 3/8" or 1/2" governor that they are willing to trade for a 3/4" Gardner, please backchannel me!

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Old 09-22-2007, 12:10:34 AM
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here is the first picture of a half scale that was completed earlier this spring....this engine was written up in the latest E&E and the pictures were printed in black and white...it is located near Houston Texas.

Casemaker, Beth stepping in here.....that is Gerald Lee's little Case. I'm sure he'd be happy to be identified as the owner! He (and crew) did a nice job.
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heres pictures of recently refurbished engine...it was shown at the mount pleasant show this year..
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here is the first picture of a half scale that was completed earlier this spring....this engine was written up in the latest E&E and the pictures were printed in black and white...it is located near Houston Texas.

Casemaker, Beth stepping in here.....that is Gerald Lee's little Case. I'm sure he'd be happy to be identified as the owner! He (and crew) did a nice job.
Casemaker, Beth, and All,

Thanks for the kind words. Yes, the engine now sleeps in my garage in Spring, Texas, just north of Houston. Hope to have it up in Ohio next year at the NTA. I have fired it several times so far. Each time, I learn a little bit more about the engine. If any of you out there need info on building one of these, just e-mail me and I will be happy to help in anyway I can.

The best advice I can offer is to quote what Beth and the other NTA officers say which is....."Water, water, water".

Regards...Gerald
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This engine was completed a couple of years ago by Dale Mackey of Lloydminster Canada... a Bob Oliver boiler...
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Heres what the mail man delivers to get you started on one of these beasts....of course you need the boiler before you can get a whole lot done !
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heres the other off the shelf item needed to complete the receipe....
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Casemaker,

That is quite a nice pile of castings you have there. So when does the machining start? Are you going to have gears cast or do like the majority of us, and steal them from tractors? Please keep us posted on this project. Should keep one out of trouble for an hour or two!

Lawrence
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