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Old 02-05-2016, 11:07:42 PM
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This is what made our nation great. Not today's supply chains that criss-cross the pacific.

It's sad. Worse; it's pathetic.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:39:45 PM
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Here's a few more, first pic is a women's engine instruction class in Utah, next looks familiar , third ?, fourth Melbourne show 1906.
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:18:44 PM
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From the French Antique Engine Site.....

A Twin Cylinder Deutz.

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Old 02-12-2016, 06:06:36 AM
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Hello typak

Photo #2 looks like the blowing engines of the Betlehem steel plant

Is Photo #3 from Germany? It looks like blast furnace gas engine no. XIII of the Halbergerhuette steel plant. In this case it would habe been built in 1908 by Ehrhardt & Sehmer from Saarbruecken. Unfortunately the engine is not on public display.

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Old 02-12-2016, 09:42:20 AM
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Hello Chris

Picture #3 is from Germany, I knew someone would be able to tell what it is, shame this engine is not on public display !
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:25:57 AM
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I wonder how many of these were made?

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Old 02-27-2016, 10:49:58 AM
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Here's one of the neatest cabinet photos I've seen in a while. It shows a flat car loaded with 3 early portable Fairbanks N's presumably from the factory with the smokestack in the background. It has a healthy crew included in the photo of the "Testers, Painters, and Shippers of the Fairbanks Morse Co., Toronto. It is quite evident they took great pride in their work! Enjoy.
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Old 02-27-2016, 10:52:49 AM
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Closer pics.
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They are all fitted with an ignitor and dynamo plus hot tube ignition!!!
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Old 03-03-2016, 07:05:24 AM
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Came across this pic the other day, appears to be a Frisco Standard or Union marine engine in a rail motor ?? third pic is a Frisco I put up in another thread but thought it should be here as well, fourth I think is a Westinghouse ?
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Hello

I'm following this thread for a longer time and now something suitable found its way onto my scanner. The pictures are from the 1926 book "50 years of Ehrhardt & Sehmer manufacturing Co., Saarbruecken, Germany". It shows various blast furnace and coke gas engines built by the factory.

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Picture 1 is the gas engine power plant plant of the Halbergerhuette iron works in Brebach, Germany. Maybe the engine in the foreground is the surviving engine from picture 3 in post #442.

Picture 2 is a blast furnace blowing engine built for the Burbacher iron works in Saarbruecken.

Picture 3 is a double acting twin tandem four stroke blast furnace blowing engine. It delivers 1210 cubic meters per minute @ 2.5 atm and was in operation at "Les petits Fils de Fios de Wendel & Cie, Hayange" in France.

Picture 4 shows the electric plant of the Saar coal mines in Heinitz, Germany. Built between 1906 and 1908 there were 9 coke gas engines with a collective power of 20000 hp. The buliding still exists, the engines were scrapped in the 1960s
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Old 03-03-2016, 08:11:46 AM
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By the way: The company also built vertical diesel engines for a short period of time. If you are interested I can post some pictures of these engines(frome the same book).

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shame this engine is not on public display !
It is in the middle of a working steel plant. The building it was installed in was torn down. Now it is under a tin roof.

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Old 03-03-2016, 06:53:19 PM
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Typak,
this is the engine in its working days at the Halberger Huette steel works. I took this photo in 1979.
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:59:03 PM
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Motorenbau, thank you for sharing photos from your archive! In 1979 I had the rare opportunity of a personal guided tour through the engine houses of the Völklingen, Halberger Hütte and Pont-à-Mousson steel works which at the time were still fully operational, visitors not allowed. Of course the Völklingen engine house was most impressive with noise, smell of 10 engines running. I remember one Völklingen engine in particular: a blowing engine, tandem with a gearbox and a massive Roots type blower: this entire engine despite of some soundproofing making an earpiercing noise. Possibly due to the timing being a bit early that engine (about 60 feet long) strechted about 2 Millimeters with every stroke. Quite impressive. Engine broken up! The picture shows one of Völklingen´s big MAN engines. Note the four spare inlet valve assemblies in the front, tiled floor, ornamental handrails: certainly German engineering at its best.
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Old 03-07-2016, 07:31:31 AM
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In 1979 I had the rare opportunity of a personal guided tour through the engine houses of the Völklingen, Halberger Hütte and Pont-à-Mousson steel works which at the time were still fully operational, visitors not allowed.
You can´t imagine how jealous I am...
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Here's a fantastic photo of the earliest style 6 HP Stickney horizontal tin hopper engine that sold on Ebay recently. If the buyer of this photo sees this post, can you please PM or email me? I'm trying to help a good friend out.

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First picture, same engine running, note ignitor lying on the engine´s frame in the foreground. Second picture an Erhardt & Sehmer "high performance" blowing engine, this time at the Halberger Hütte. As the various parts lying around tell us, these engine were in constant need of serious service. Despite it being a four stroke it has an extra scavenging pump as a special power increasing feature: Matthias, how did that work?
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Despite it being a four stroke it has an extra scavenging pump as a special power increasing feature: Matthias, how did that work?
I tried to translate the explanation from the Ehrhardt&Sehmer book:

In 1913 Ehrhardt & Sehmer patented a method that they later used for all big gas engines. In this, the machine has two separate intake lines for air and gas, but only the air line is pressurized. The combustion air enters the cylinder almost exclusively during the exhaust and the compression stroke; during the intake stroke mainly gas is drawn into the cylinder. Usually the increase of performance when using a blower is an effect of charging the cylinder, but the scavenging of the combustion chamber is imperfect because of the brevity of the available valve-opening overlap time. The newer Ehrhardt & Sehmer engines let the scavenging occur very early i.e. in the first part of the exhaust stroke. This way a good disposal of the exhaust gases is achieved with all its advantages: cooling the cylinder wall from the inside, reducing the charge temperature and increasing the cylinder filling. The way of generating compressed air the is essential for the economy of the process. Turboblowers are undesirable because of their poor efficiency. Ehrhardt & Sehmer used piston compressors as charge pump, directly driven by the gas engine. According to proposals of Director Arendt the scavenging pump is placed at the engine end so that space and power losses are minimized. The scavenging pump piston is installed "free flying" at the end of the gas engine piston rod, supported by a special thrust bearing. The cylinder housing rests longitudinally slidable in the rear supporting piece of the gas engine, so that the rear packing of the working cylinder can be made easily accessible by sliding away the pump cylinder. The scavenging pump is using automatic valves. Gas engines and scavenging pumps form a unit in this arrangement. This way the engine operation is not depending on a separate scavenging air supply. Apart from the economic benefits this way of scavenging air supply has, the inevitable switching and safety devices with separate arrangement can be omitted. The performance of a Ehrhardt&Sehmer gas engine with scavenging blower is about 25-30% higher than that of normal engines; their heat consumption per horsepower-hour is more effective and increases very slowly at low load.

I hope you're able to understand my probably poor technical English.

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PS: Isn't it funny that two Germans discuss this topic in English?
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Hart-Parr Inverted circa pre-1896 (one of their very first class project engines) built by Mr. Hart and Mr. Parr as students at the U.W. University in Madison, Wis. while they were students. This picture was taken at the U.W. Engineering building were the engine was set up in the Machine Shop.

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2-cycle Detroit farm engine buzzing wood. Check out the size of the blade...there's more "flywheel" in it than on the engine! Enjoy.
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