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Scale Models 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, ect


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Old 01-27-2006, 11:57:57 AM
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Default Scale Models 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, ect

I would like to see a thread with pictures of anyone that either has or has built a scale model, code and non code boilers. Over the years Ive seen many beautiful models that need to be enjoyed by all...
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Old 01-27-2006, 07:17:36 PM
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This model was started in 1949 by my grandfather. the engine is built without any castings. the boiler is made with surplus oil well caseing, with flues from a stanley steamer car he had. The engine will run on compressed air, but the boiler was never completed, nor was the drive train built. It is and will remain a nice wall hanger
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This model was started in 1949 by my grandfather. the engine is built without any castings. the boiler is made with surplus oil well caseing, with flues from a stanley steamer car he had. The engine will run on compressed air, but the boiler was never completed, nor was the drive train built. It is and will remain a nice wall hanger
Dear workhorse,
If I have looked at the picture of your grandfathers engine one time I have looked at it 100 times.....dont you think that it is time to get it down and finish it ? In the future I would like to see a picture of you either riding it or getting pulled around by it. I think that that would make grandfather smile !

As a group I believe many people on this board can help you complete this engine.
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KG1584 thanks for the post. Reminds me that I need to get up there and see grandma soon.. That is Doug on the engine by the way. What a great picture.

Casemaker thanks for the information. The Dalton N and S scale is a neat little engine. Would be great to see it out sometime.
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KG1584 Casemaker thanks for the information. The Dalton N and S scale is a neat little engine. Would be great to see it out sometime.
Halfkeck,
the Dalton N&S engine was built from taking measurements from my brothers 20-75 rear mount double. Carter would call up Bob Johnson (North Terre Haute, Indiana) who owned the big engine at that time and Bob would go out and get measurements and call Carter back with them. According to Bob this happened several times over several years. Bob only saw the engine once it was completed and it turned out pretty good. I guess you could call this model engine a N&S telephone special.

The full size N&S engine that Bob owned came from west Terre Haute where it was purchased new. It was delivered with a 14 bottom plow which did not survive. Bob said that this engine handled the 14 bottoms with plenty of power, so I kind of chuckle when you hear about 110 Cases pulling 12 bottoms.
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Old 05-12-2006, 12:09:19 PM
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..............Bob said that this engine handled the 14 bottoms with plenty of power, so I kind of chuckle when you hear about 110 Cases pulling 12 bottoms.
I think you need to change your screen name for as much as you bash case engines.....................maybe "Modelmaker"?

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Dear workhorse,
If I have looked at the picture of your grandfathers engine one time I have looked at it 100 times.....dont you think that it is time to get it down and finish it ? In the future I would like to see a picture of you either riding it or getting pulled around by it. I think that that would make grandfather smile !

As a group I believe many people on this board can help you complete this engine.

CASEMAKER, Thanks for your intrest in my wallhanger. I have considered doing that many times over the years, but just can't seem to get the ball rolling. Maby since I now have the expertise of all the guys on SMOKSTAK it wouldn't be such a impossible project afterall.
My busy season, with our water well drilling busines has just started, but when it slows down in the fall, I may just get off my duff and get started.

Thanks, Leonard Chubb
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CASEMAKER, Thanks for your intrest in my wallhanger. I have considered doing that many times over the years, but just can't seem to get the ball rolling. Maby since I now have the expertise of all the guys on SMOKSTAK it wouldn't be such a impossible project afterall.
My busy season, with our water well drilling busines has just started, but when it slows down in the fall, I may just get off my duff and get started.

Thanks, Leonard Chubb
Well the balls rolling now..... is this a quarter scale or a third scale ....how big is the boiler barrel ? A quarer scale is close to 8 inches and a third scale is 10 inches.... the first thing is to find some blueprints that can be worked off of...
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Old 01-27-2006, 08:41:33 PM
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This is my grandad's "freescale" engine. The rear wheels are off a 12-20 Case crossmotor. The gearing from a heavy pumpjack. It has about a 5" bore x 6" stroke Jarecki pump cylinder. It is running the 1/3 size sawmill he also designed and did all the castings for. Sorry the pic is a little yellowed...



This is a 1/4 scale that used to be owned by the late Elmer Kelly with his grandson running it.
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Have you ever thought about the fact there are most likely hundreds of scale models in barns and garages around the country that for various reasons never see the light of day? Think about some that you remember from shows years past. Where are they now? I think that unlike a full size, it is unlikely that these engines were scrapped, most likely they sit waiting for an estate to get settled, an owners health to get better, or someone to get motivated. When I take our engine out to shows, I get asked all the time "is that the engine that so and so built up around some town and used to show at some show?" (Not usually our engine mentioned)I have not seen but one or two half scale Keck Gonnermans, but there must be a whole passel out there some where, or more likely the persons memory is not as good about the brand. I have seen lots of scale model engines in the old Iron Men magazines, but rarely see such engines operating. Don't take this the wrong way, but odds are that at most shows all the scale models are Case engines. Another thought, has anyone ever tried to list all such engines? Like how many freelance, Baker, Case, Advance, Keck, etc scale models there are out there in various sizes.
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I wanted to share the pics of my grandfathers 1/2 scale freelance engine he built in 1954. It is shown every year at the Central States Threshermens Reunion in Pontiac, IL

He finished the engine in 1954 and completed the 1/2 scale Ottawa C sheller and water wagon a couple years later. The sheller really works and has shelled many a bushel of corn.

Grandpa ran a machine shop in Woodland IL and much of his business was remounting shellers on trucks. The cylinder is half a stanley steam engine reworked. Gearing is from John Deere B and Farmalls. Everything else is hand made.

Will post pics of dads Half Baker - can be found at www.steamsmith.com.
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Here is a couple shots of dads(Dick Smith) half scale baker
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Shot of halfkecks 1/2 scale KG built by his grandfather
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I wanted to share the pics of my grandfathers 1/2 scale freelance engine he built in 1954. It is shown every year at the Central States Threshermens Reunion in Pontiac, IL

He finished the engine in 1954 and completed the 1/2 scale Ottawa C sheller and water wagon a couple years later. The sheller really works and has shelled many a bushel of corn.

Grandpa ran a machine shop in Woodland IL and much of his business was remounting shellers on trucks. The cylinder is half a stanley steam engine reworked. Gearing is from John Deere B and Farmalls. Everything else is hand made.

Will post pics of dads Half Baker - can be found at www.steamsmith.com.
Wonderful pics and history.....my grandfather was into steam in southern Illinois....I am looking for info on getting wheels for a 1/2 65 case and maybe you might tell me if you know anybody.
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Since the "horsepower wars" were on here a while back, concerning the large engines, I was curious as to how much a 1/2 scale 110Case might pull.
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Another thought, has anyone ever tried to list all such engines? Like how many freelance, Baker, Case, Advance, Keck, etc scale models there are out there in various sizes.
As a "listkeeper", I am afraid that doing so would be a hopelessly impossible task.

With full size engines, you already have to deal with the fact that most are privately owned, and change hands every now and then without warning. But what would make tracking live steam engines a hopeless task is that they usually do not have a serial number.

If you saw say a half scale Keck at a steam show a few years ago, then saw another say at someone's house today; how would you know they are not the same? Without some agreed-upon registery or serial number; you just don't stand a chance of weeding out duplicates. Many engines are trading on e-bay with the seller having little knowledge of the previous history of the engine for sale.

That is why the Surviving World Steam Project only tracks full size steam engines that are large enough to transport a person. While it does include some homebuilt steam locomotives, steam launches, and homebuilt full-size engines; the number of these are quite small compared to say half-size and smaller. Even then, I still seem to find about a dozen duplicates with each update; usually because the original record did not have a serial number or other details to uniquely identify it. The same engine then shows up in another source; when more details come it; it is then apparent they are duplicates.

I also continue to be amazed at how much steam engines get moved around; even stationary engines and large steam locomotives that haven't turned a wheel in decades. The move just recently of a Union Pacific "Big Boy" is just one example.

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I agree that it would be very difficult to list scale models on a list. The only way I can see that it would be possible would be for those engines that one still knows the history of so that the builder can be documented. All those Case scale models built never had serial numbers did they? Did Terning number the ones he built? How about Steam Industries, did they number their engines? Other engines that were not mass produced have characteristics that set them apart some minor some major, but would be a pain to try to differentiate between. I will say that it would be interesting to get an idea how many such engines there are out there.
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I have a 1/6th scale Robert Bell traction engine. Its currently in the shop for overhaul. It was started by someone in the London Ont. Area so I was told. Who ever it was, they were a wiz at fabricating. It was passed on to someone who tried to finnish it but the quality was just not there. It went to a man named Inglis way up in Earlton Ont. Does anyone know some history on it?
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Wonderful thread.
My question is, where are the patterns for half scale Case or other tractors?
I met a fellow at Freeport, IL a few years back with a half or third scale John Deere. He had a full set of patterns from somewhere and talked with me about using them. I lost track of him somehow and that's that.

Now, who has patterns? I was a metallurgical engineer and foundryman in another life. Now I run a shop that makes rifle barrels, but we have CNC stuff as well as manual, and I still do pattern work. Just bought some more pouring equipment, so the bug is biting me.

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With thanks to Chuck Sindelar for talking with me at Rock River. He got the bug going again.
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Here a case traction engine not sure what size it is my dad bought it and we dont know how to run it. We want to find out more info on it before we try to fire it up. Ive been to show in ny tring to find someone who know what they are doing to help us out.
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