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Old 06-28-2019, 10:44:30 PM
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I have yet to try and repaint an Onan genset, and was wondering what to do with all the printing on the tins of the surround and the control box. If you paint over them or destroy them when preparing for the primer paint, what is the best way to restore them to look original. Any advice would be appreciated from the many experts here who have made some of these old units look like they just came from the factory.
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I am getting ready to paint my JC so will be watching this thread closely
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I'm no expert and preserving the original silkscreen print can be a challenge. For the large print such as the Onan lettering and logos, reproduction vinyl lettering can be made. There was a member on this forum, Crankpot, that made me a bunch of large vinyl decals that worked great. I used then for my 7.5 JB and Hello Kitty 2.5 AJ. The procedure for applying the decals can be seen below in the pictures which I posted when I was restoring my 7.5 JB. I have not seen any posts from Crankpot in a long time, but he mentioned that the small lettering is possible to do in vinyl but it will be a challenge.

If your lettering and the paint around the lettering is in good condition, but you want to paint the surrounding areas you can try to blend the new paint into the old paint then clear coat as a final step. I did this to some of the lettering on my most recent project and it seemed to work well. If you want to try and blend the paint, do Google searches on the subject to understand how to do it since there will be no chances of a "do over" once you start painting the lettered area.

I hope this helps.

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You can put a thin coat of grease on the original label and tags. Paint away and when dry, just wipe with a rag.
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Old 06-29-2019, 09:01:43 AM
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Johnnyc, have you ever tried waterslide decals for this? I’ve been thinking about trying them with a clear coat.

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Johnnyc, have you ever tried waterslide decals for this? I’ve been thinking about trying them with a clear coat.

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The only type of decals I tried are the type seen in my last set of pictures. I've heard of people clear coating over the decals. In my case with the Onan decals, I was more than pleased on how it turned out without clear coating.

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Here’s a tip if you used the vinyl decals. Over time they will shrink slightly when exposed to heat (running an engine, hot daytime sun or even sitting in a closed up building that builds up a lot of heat in the summer). If you clear coat over the vinyl and it shrinks it will crack the clear coat and looks quite messy. I’d recommend to either not clear coat or clear coat and apply the vinyl decals over the clear coat. It will save you some headaches later.
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As a kid it I tried to save some paint pin stripping on a car when doing body work. I used our normal good grade of 3M masking tape that had crinkles so it could stretch to follow bends better. The paint flowed under the crinkles and made MANY hairline looking dendrites of paint over old pin stripping.

On next car I did I sanded and wipped out old pin stripping and painted new ones. Turns out there's special tape for doing that, has NO crinkles of any type.
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On next car I did I sanded and wipped out old pin stripping and painted new ones. Turns out there's special tape for doing that, has NO crinkles of any type.
The green masking film the powder coat guys use would probably work well for this. It’s a plastic film with a releasable adhesive. It seals well so you get clean edges.

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Old 06-29-2019, 02:32:51 PM
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Crinkle Tape I used didn't seem to make paint dendrites when masking straight sections. And I've shot ~ 100 cars with it back in the day. Was regular masking tape from car paint wholesale store but if look closely paper surface had minor crinkles.

I only noticed problem when I did curved pin stripping around tire wheel well. Might have had something to do with having to apply and remove it a few times to get it to lineup right, plus I was ~ 16.
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If you will search for "decals" in thread titles, I think you will find one from a few years back that includes contact info for a gal in Tx. (I think). I had several sets made and was very happy with them.

These were vinyl letters, that transfer directly to the finish paint. No big clear stickers with letters printed on them like I had tried previously.

I found a copy of her e-mail, attached below. I do not know if the info is still good though.


From: Melissa Nichols [mailto:nicholsgraphics@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 5:30 PM

To: thompson007@centurytel.net
Subject: Re: Onan EK parts


I can reproduce any decal you or others may need and do NOT charge a set up fee.... also cheaper than you will get them anywhere and I would be GLAD to help with that any way possible. Just let me know and send pic a link to what you are needing, Presto it's that easy... did I say CHEAP but EXCELLENT quality. I make MX graphics for my race team Motocross and they have been on the bikes for 3 years and still look New. let me know if I can assist here


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Old 06-30-2019, 07:43:37 PM
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Way back I purchased a whole bunch of decals from Onan, never used but a few and gave the rest to Ted Cool. Wonder what he did with them.
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We just bought a new vinyl printer/plotter. When I do my unit I will do decals like you used to get with models. Some of the new mediums are supposed to hold up pretty well under (some) heat
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I'm researching high temp vinyl and water slides. Can anyone tell me (of you have a point and shoot heat thermometer) the Temps of the various casings and boxes? Some may work on a control box, but not a cyl. head cover.
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---------- Post added at 07:59:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:50:25 PM ----------

I found the vinyl I have in stock goes to 176*
I can get 230* the much higher goes to 304*, BUT it's a heat press transfer that's not really doable on pieces of machinery and it is not rated for constant heat.
Let me know.
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