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1927 Allis 20-35 rescued from long sleep


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Old 07-12-2014, 04:13:24 PM
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Hello all,
Time for an update...wish it was better news, but the big Allis has a cracked head. When it sits coolant will drip into a cylinder. It will start on three, blow antifreeze out the exhaust and then hit on all four. Continued running time will result in coolant making its way into the oil pan.
I cannot find the crack so it must be internal and I need to locate a head for dear old Allis to get her back in good form again. Just a bump in the road and we all get a few of those with this hobby. Any leads on a reasonably priced head would be apreciated. I was told the newer orange heads will not work...is that so?
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Old 07-12-2014, 08:40:48 PM
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That stinks, you reckon that's why it was parked? Might know where one is, not very far from you.
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Old 07-12-2014, 10:30:33 PM
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Tony, sent you a message through engine ads. Will get you fixed up with what you need.
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The later heads are considerably different, but I believe they will bolt up as we have a late E with one of each on it. The real early one could be even more different but I'm not sure as we don't have any 18-30 around these parts. F.J.W.
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A big thanks to Mr. Williams for helping out! Here's hoping it's something that is fixable so the head can be reused to live another day.
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Those heads are horrible about cracking. I have a whole pile of late heads I think are good but the exhaust stud area is just a cast tab that is broke off. Some have bolts brazed to the heads.
Frank didnt you get set of heads from us? Or was it just a set of wheels?
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Caleb, yes we got a couple of bare late heads from you. The plan was to replace the odd set on the late 25-40. We also have a 20-35 that a tree fell on and broke the water out let towers on. Hopefully those can be repaired. I used to send those broken heads to Jerry to repair but since his health problems have sidelined him that's no longer an option. Maybe I simply need to take up the task and learn to weld them myself, Jerry did lecture us many times as to the procedure. If I take on a junk one to start with who knows, If it don't work oh well no loss but it should be doable. If the tab for the exhaust stud is all that is wrong with them it should be an easy repair. I know that type of head also likes to burn through in the exhaust port area as well. Jerry would always build those areas up as well and remachine them. Tony I was rereading this thread and when you were talking about the excess exhaust note while plowing I noticed that the out let is aimed at the driver. If you rotate the stack so it points to the front and in the 2 o'clock position it will make a dramatic difference and still reserve that wonderful sound. The construction equip companies did this and even sent out bulletins out to advise us to do this to avoid hearing loss! F.J.W.

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dont forget those sleeves like to crack on the top. i have old sleeves that look good on the inside but on the out side are cracked.
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dont forget those sleeves like to crack on the top. i have old sleeves that look good on the inside but on the out side are cracked.
Valid point. You might have to get the heads magnafluxed before you give up on them.
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I forgot to let everyone know that a replacement head has the early short fender Allis running well again! Our very own Smokstakker Phil Johnson from Canada got me a pressure tested head...Thanks Phil One head had a crack up inside of it somewhere. A mechanic friend of mine put his flexible camera in the plug hole and we could see coolant drip from port above intake valve.
I also forgot to mention that this machine has been fitted with a big bore kit moving it from 4 3/4 to 5 inch. Running the math produces 510 ci. No wonder it barks so loud and pulls four sixteens with ease
Pictures of the finished tractor are in posts #129 & #132 on page seven.
What a grand old machine...it starts, runs & drives excellent with big power!
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Well Tony, I hope I have as good as luck with the cyl. blocks of my 21-32 TC engine as you did with the big Allis engine. Coolant leaks can be troublesome and annoying to say the least, expensive. Glad you got it fixed, Jim
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Old 11-02-2014, 11:30:18 AM
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Glad to hear it's back up and running, Tony. Only too glad to help out.
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