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1927 Allis 20-35 rescued from long sleep


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Old 12-31-2012, 06:05:31 PM
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You are right Tony,most tractors sold as is,for parts or restoration can turn into a nightmare and money pit, depending upon thier rarity is the deterimining factor for the project. I was told I paid to much for my 21-32,but after I heard it run,and all the compliments I received in just 2 showings I think it was worth the extra I paid. You pay alittle more but you end up doing less work and that in turn results in more fun in the long run. Jim
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Kinda gone the same way Tony, I would rather have a couple nice originals than two dozen or more future headaches. Not sayin all tractors needing resto are basket cases but I would rather find ones that are at least 95% complete and if stuck at least straight. Dont need acres of "somedays"! I just find overall mainenance on 4-6 tractors easier than 20 and you can get to know your machine very well overall. Good job on your 12-20 and The Allis should end up solid. Had a "27" and an 18-30 both nice machines..my great grandpa as a youth was permanantly crippled on a ND farm due to a 20-35 bucking him off and running over him..Picked bone out of his leg for over 50 years.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:11:18 AM
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You pay a little more but you end up doing less work.
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The other reason I do not want to take on anymore basket cases in very rough condition is time. I have a 13 year old daughter that I need to spend extra time with before she is grown and gone...it happens fast and I must not miss the experience!
Buying a nice complete, original type machine means less time and money spent on the resto and more time to play.
I have fixed several very rough tractors in the past. I have a vast appreciation for the dedicated collectors that are saving our history via difficult and lengthy restorations!

Here are some more pictures of the 20-35 in the condition that it was discovered.
Initial inspection indicates that this machine may only need a radiator core, valve job, and clutch adjustment to run again?
There will be other little detail work, but so far I have a good feeling about this one.
Tony
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:11:43 PM
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Nice Find..In the early 1980's I had both a 20-35 AC and a 25-40 AC..




Here are pictures of them..I doubt that I had much over $1000 in both of them..They came from Kansas which used to be full of them..
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:19:21 PM
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I just got this Allis & was wondering if anyone could tell me what the two tins with the pipes on where for. They are mounted on the inside of the mudwings. They look like they oil the bullgears have not got it home yet so not had a good look.
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Kevin i would say its not Original Allis i will look in parts book tonight, but it has a good kero manifold by the look of it.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:27:11 AM
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Kevin, Looks as though this was a "farmer modification" which was made to keep a drip-ffed of oil running onto the wheel gears. Normally, the only way to lubricate these is to grease them regularly through holes, so it was probably a very practical improvement. I don't think you'll need to keep them in place for the use that you'll put the tractor to nowadays though! It looks a nice machine, with kero manifold still in decent condition - you'll love it, I'm certain!
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My son has one that had a Manzel lubricator mounted on the fender to lubricate the final drive. It was driven off the brake wheel thru a add on pulley with a round belt. The tractor was from North Dakota and did a lot of field work in it's day. F.J.W.

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Old 01-02-2013, 01:52:43 PM
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I think that wear on the final drive pinions and ring gears may have been a problem with these tractors when all that engine power was used on field work over a long period and with inadequate lubrication - my 20-35 has obviously had them replaced at some time, as there are traces of the later orange paint on the ring gear housings. It would not take the old farmers long to get round to fitting improvised devices to provide the necessary extra lube to avoid premature wear and possible failure
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The problem with the final drive on these old girls is that the sheet metal inner shield only had a felt ring for a dust seal which did not seam to be very effective, and the dust mixed with the recommended "tube of grease" made for a very abrasive mix. Also, that inner shield was quite easily bent out of shape destroying it's seal.
It is not a big job, but it is a messy one, to remove the wheels with their drive hubs and wash them out every so often and add new grease.
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Thanks for fun relative stories and useful information. I like pictures and input from other collectors experiences as there is always something to be learned.
This is the first tractor I have owned with this type of pinion & bull gear, or pinion & ring gear final drive. This good looking survivor should run with a small amount of resto work so I am doing that first. Then I will take Phils advice (previous post) on removal, inspection, cleaning and lube of final drives.

For now here are some more detailed photos and inspection results.
There is plenty of evidence of a very old repaint. This slightly sobering event is easilly overlooked because the fabulous overall condition is still the deal maker here. Previous remarks about final drive conditions during long hard use show up on this tractor...I found tiny bits of orange paint under green on both sides indicating that a previous owner has indeed swapped out the worn rear drives with newer replacements. OK by me, less work I need to do.
Very clean inside the engine, no movement at main and rod bearings with substantial compression on all four cylinders as you turn engine over.
My daughter stood up on a bucket with her head between the air cleaner intake pipe and the exhaust pipe as I slowly turned engine over. She reported a faint hissing from the exhaust pipe as I passed through compression stroke on number 2 cylinder so I do know that the exhaust valve on #2 is not seating correctly. Here are closer photos of tractor as found. First picture shows intake pipe top after lifting a rusty old soup can off...Must have sat many years in NW ND with this same old can on it
Last photo shows one of two styles of rear end top covers...what is the story on those?
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"27 used that fabricated top cover. '28 used a pressed steel dome-shaped cover with a the same screw in fill plug. '29's have the pressed steel cover with a flip open fill cap the same as used on the fuel tank. I'll get pics tomorrow and post them.

Your tool box is correct for '27 as the hasp is attached inside the smooth topped lid. '28 on used a lid with an X embossed on the top and the hasp was attached on the outside of the lid.

Minor details, I know, but nice to have the correct parts for the year.

I have a friend near here that got a very nice '27 last summer with all the correct parts, but his has the optional Schebler carb. Unfortunately, sometime in the past, it was repainted orange!; and a bad job at that! We are going to try to remove that paint next spring and try to get to the original underneath.
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Phil,
My '29 has the same smoth toolbox lid as that on Tony's tractor. I think that it is original, because the sides of the box were rusted out round the bottom when I got the tractor and we had to repair it to retain "originality". Mine has the domed gearbox cover to which you refer. I notice that the cylinder head on Tony's looks to be quite bright metal in places - almost like alloy, unless it is an optical illusion. As far as I am aware the heads on all these tractors were cast iron Were some fitted with alloy heads?
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I just got this Allis & was wondering if anyone could tell me what the two tins with the pipes on where for. They are mounted on the inside of the mudwings. They look like they oil the bullgears have not got it home yet so not had a good look.

Those two "tins" appear to be the bottoms of two old automobile Stewart Warner Vacuum tanks. True recycling "in the day".

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Tony, in reference to the valves leaking a bit I would try running it a bit before getting too worried. They often get cruddy from sitting that long but often clear up after running a few hours. Also recheck the valve clearance after it has run a bit this often this helps. Many years ago we aquired 2 Es from a closeout sale and while visiting with the original owner's son he recounted that they had the process of changing heads down pat that they could get it done over the lunch hour when threshing a job, they always carried extra heads on the job. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary, much like a tuneup. F.J.W.
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Those tool boxes were sourced from outside suppliers, so there could be some differences from one tractor to another.

I have the remains of a badly rusted out one around here somewhere that has the manufacturers info stamped into the side. I'll have to search it out.
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Learning a lot already,
Thanks for response everyone!
Here are some more detail photos. Everything seems to be in pretty good order. The mag has a good strong impulse, there is an original set of old-timey Champions (0-com) in place and guess what....The mag strikes a good strong blue spark at each plug in the present condition ...notice the plug wires crumbling away in last photo...they work just fine
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Tony,
I can see clearly now that what I mistook for "bright" metal on the heads is actually light-coloured, reflective dirt, so forget my speculation about non-standard alloy heads etc. You're lucky that the mag has such a kick after so many years, but although that tractor would originally have been fitted with an Eisemann, you have the next best thing - an American Bosch, which is probably one of the best mags ever manufactured, so you'll soon be up and running. Regarding Frank's suggestion about the valves - if they are not leaking badly, you could try running the engine for a while (if possible with a load) and they MIGHT settle down. However, all my big-block ACs have needed valve jobs and they are much the better for it. I risk repeating myself by saying that this AC will really test your loyalty to the TC brand - these big Allis tractors are addictive and once you have one, you NEED another. Good luck with it and please let us all know how you get on with it.
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Forgot to say that, for German George's interest, a big Allis will eat a 4 cyl Hart-Parr for breakfast any day of the week
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