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IHC Titan type D 45 HP asleep for 100 years


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Old 05-20-2013, 08:14:37 PM
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Regarding Mike and others' questions of why the tractor was so disliked, I have a general theory and will throw it out here just for the helluvit! It has nothing to do with his particular tractor but the notion came up in some conversations and thoughts recently.
I know of a several cases where steam threshermen traded in their traction engines for new-fangled gas tractors. Now, a 15-30 or 20-40 or 25-45 gas tractor sounds impressive and maybe comparable to a 20 or 25 hp steam engine. But is it really?
While the gas tractor may have some built-in under rating of a few hp, say 5-10 hp, the steam engine may very well have a huge advantage in brake hp. A 25 hp steam engine may turn out 75 on the belt and if pushed, could push toward 100 hp.
I have heard stories, unsubstantiated, of sales agents pushing tractors on steam threshermen and the men finding out they were not up to the task of running the same separators that the traction engines ran. Said agents were back willing to talk the guys into trading up to a bigger tractor!
The same might be said for ploughing and the 45 hp Titan maybe didn't have the spunk that this gentleman got out of his fine double or compound British-built steam ploughing engine?
Just some mutterings on a warm spring evening after thinking away on the lawn mower all afternoon in the sun!
Happy and successful tractioneering
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:36:10 PM
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Default Re: IHC Titan type D 45 HP asleep for 100 years

On steam, which rating? Boiler or brake? A 32-110 Case would out do a 18-35 Oilpull, but could be comparable to a 120 Holt.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:20:38 AM
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The subject of HORSEPOWER needs a detailed study to understand, most Steam engines are listed as nominal horsepower, which is the mathematical calculation for the cylinder capacity and revs. Most tractors are in the old days belt HP and drawbar HP, belt HP being measured HP and drawbar hp a calculation useing pounds pull x speed.
If you were,to measure the belt HP of a steEm engine you would get considerably higher figures than steamers love to quote you ( nominal HP), like wise with drawbar HP.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:55:40 AM
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Wow That thing is in better nik than my 20 year old machine Brian.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:13:13 AM
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Some pictures of the grease cup winder handle, oilers and the missing parts locations. The oilers are lucky to be under the engine cover as the water did not get into them..
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Some pictures of how far it was in the ground, this spot would have been off the plowed soft ground on the hard undisturbed soil.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:05:38 AM
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Hi Alastair i was wounding what this bracket was for and now i know the auto sparker fits straight on and the mounting bolts are still there.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:06:30 AM
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That's one great tractor Joe.You said to me twenty some years ago you have to dream these great tractors into existence,I know what I am doing tonight Robert Allen
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:13:59 AM
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In respect to the comparable horsepower of steam and gas, I had the pleasure of visiting with a gentleman that had operated a 20 hp under mounted Avery in a sawmill at the end of its days. When the time came to replace that engine because of age and failing boiler, the company installed a 300 hp Diesel engine. He told me that the Diesel engine was not able to do the same work as the Avery. At the same time, I know of cases when a steam traction engine or two were found to be lacking in being able to perform as they were intended. I believe that this can be attributed to a flaw that occurred during construction. The cases I have heard of did not specify exactly what the issue was, one was actually a court case when the buyer refused to pay since the machine did not do what the seller claimed it would do. The buyer won. I am sure that were are all aware of "lemons" that we or someone else had and yet someone else with the same vehicle had no problems. This maybe the case with this particular tractor. Don't be surprised if you find that some thing is not quite right about it when you get it going, that it does not perform the way others do...it may be a simple thing, or it may have simply been the original owner not completely capable of running it as well. New technology can be frustrating and if impatient, it would quickly be discarded. That tractor is a fabulous survivor. Our 45 Titan (TN642) is nearly wore out, obviously indicating it did everything it was asked...yours is in fabulous condition.

Congratulations, hope to see more of its story unfold here.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:01:25 AM
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Simple rule: Don't always blame the tractor because of the owner/operator.
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As to why it wasn't what they expected, one needs to look back to the time and conditions then. The new owners were probably way out in the sticks and the agent nowhere to be found when needed, the owners were used to steam technology not the new mysteries of GAS and that in itself is a major issue. They also probably went deep into debt to get it and that would also put them in a bind to get out from under it. We had a combine that was a real lemmon when I first started farming and I know all about that situation, it took years to recover from that thing and no one else wants any thing to do with it so your stuck with it! And to this day it still haunts us as it still sits in the pasture and is a constant reminder of the dificulties it caused. Just thinking F.J.W.
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There will still be some surprises I am sure- the only things missing that I can see are the igniters , maggy and auto sparker, belt pulley , and of course the roof that blew off many years ago.
No in-depth psychological opinions needed for me....I say look at the missing parts and you'll find the answer to why it was parked. In 1913 ignition and carburetion were interesting mechanical marvels but not really user friendly if they decided not to work. No doubt they caused our ex-steam engine owner a massive amount of frustation. If he could have only got this thing started and kept it running he would have been happy to have used it regardless of its performance compared to the steam engine it replaced.

I can see him in my minds eye now.....head in his hands as he sits under the lonely eucalyptus tree.....thinking back to the good old days when ignition was as simple as striking a match and tossing it in the firebox............................
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Joe its good to see that its gone to a good home, I had know'n about it for years but not the details.
Hope to see it one day.

Jake.
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http://youtu.be/s431S2nBTRs
Hi all I had to go back to work after my adventure I will have to talk to the family again to see if there is any more known about but as i said it wasn't talked about much .
I think Mark hit the nail on the head it is hard enough to get one igniter firing right ,but two would be worse and when they couldn't get a crop in it would have been despair for them.
I think I mite take Wayne suggestion and bottle the old oil.
here is a short video of the Tractors first movement in 100 years, i could move all the planetary in the diff with a bar so they weren't sized i hooked up a stiff bar between the D6 and the tractor and moved it back and forwards a bit to make sure it would roll , we got it loaded just on dark as you can see by the photos and i had left home at 3.30 am that morning and drove 700 km , i had planed to load it on to the low loader with a tilt tray but the fellow i had hired from Narrabri wouldn't lift it he was worried about his truck , so we ended up loading it with the D6 that Arthur had on the farm.
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That must have been one long REWARDING day......
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Yes Brasherman you feel as you can go on for ever although age start to catch with us ,i have been lucky enough to be involved with quite a few finds and recoveries over the last 30 years ,and all the time your there it is in the back of my mine that the thing you shift on that day has such a story to tell, the next owners that get them no matter how much we pass on will surely fade eventual. but they will still be enjoyed in a different way
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It is always a good feeling when you get a new toy home.

I have really enjoyed looking at the pictures of this tractor.

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Wow what a feeling. I know what it feels like to finely get a piece of machinery which you coveted for years finaly in your possession. I remember like it was yesterday when the man who owned my oilpull finaly agreed to sell it. I remember the first time I ever saw it years before that,sitting out in the trees behind his welding shop. what a mistirious machine it was at the time to me.
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Hi Joe

Contact the archives in Wisconsin and request drawing ZG 166

This is an assembly drawing that list most of the part numbers for the parts used to build the platform.

How's your friction drive coming ?

LeRoy
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Are going to paint it or leave it rusty? Thanks for sharing all the pictures and videos!
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