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IHC Titan type D 45 HP asleep for 100 years


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It's amazing to me that the pistons came out that easily with that much debris in it . Anytime I see that much mess the bores are really savaged and the pistons are really grown in. I tend to think they removed the ignitors early on and either couldn't get them to work or just gave up the whole project as a bad lot and moved on. BTW thanks for the ring side seat on your project, we rarely get the opportunity to be involved on anything of this caliber and really appreciate being included! F.J.W.
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I think that the cylinder clean out would be classified more as an archeological dig. You are fortunate that the pistons came out the backside. Sometimes in a badly worn cylinder the rings are frozen in the piston in the taper area making the OD too large to go out the backside of the cylinder. Unfortunately I predict some major pitting issues on the bottoms of those cylinders. I hope you prove me wrong..........................
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Actually some pitting at the bottom of the cylinders is almost irrelevant as it's not in that part of the cylinder where the rings travel.
Even some moderate pitting in the ring travel area isn't that much to worry about if the rings and ring lands are in good shape........
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I Got the valves out yesterday , i though this would be my biggest problem spot because intakes had been full of water ,some rust on the intake valve stems but other than that i think i have got off pretty light ,the seats look to be quite good and guides also
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here is the results of 100 years of rats piss and wasps nests , i don't think it will be to bad , i have had worse bores running quite ok , and i bet there is worse ones on the rally fields .
the biggest damage is at the other ends of the bore the 3" or so that was out side the pistons .
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bores look good joe, besides, the pits will help with upper cylinder lubrication!
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I agree with Mark the bores will be fine good stuff mate

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sorry Mick calling you mark
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As long as there is no noticeable step where the clean bore starts, if there's a corrosion step that the rings can catch on where the rings travel it will break the ring lands on the pistons. As far as the moderate pitting this is basically a dry sump oil system so oil fouling won't be a problem. Looking good so far, it sure wasn't worn from use. F.J.W.
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I put the pistons back in yesterday and turning over but no with some surprises .
when i took every apart i was very careful to set everything out on different sides of the shed just the way they were ,so when i put it back together and bolted up the big ends with the same shims ,it was tight and would not turn freely then i discovered that the bearing had been put together wrong , the conrod halves were on the wrong rods ,so checking my pic that i hadn't got it wrong and sure enough it was the tractor was left.
I put them in the wright way around and it turns nice and free the way it was ment to .
now why would they have needed to fool with the big ends on such a new tractor and it would have been a fair effort to change the brasses ,to get to them with the covers on the engine and every thing else in the way .
but it would have been a hell of a job to turn it over to start like this .
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Who knows-it might have been what stopped the old girl in her tracks 100 yrs ago?
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Your not seeing things, i had a look.
Take note of the number 17 one half is on one side the cap is on the other.
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Default Re: IHC Titan type D 45 HP asleep for 100 years

I agree with Mike on this one: if you found that, then I bet they were checking it out and put it together wrong unknowingly. They then got mad at this newfangled contraption that was giving them fits being locked up and parked it. It is certainly within the realm of plausibility considering there wasn't a lot of knowledge about gas engines back then.
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Progess has been a bit slow , but starting to get a little done now . and if your working out side you have to follow the shade ,every thing you touch is hot.
had new inlet valves made because the old ones were to wasted in the stems ,they were made on CNC and the stems ground by A Ainsworth engineering in Goulburn NSW
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Humm i will try that again
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Joe,

Have send you just an message hope that it arrives.
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Joe,

Its Rob here, I spoke to you at Arthur's in January. I dug out the entry in the Narrabri history book I sopke about but its just a mention and the date is wrong. It is stated as 1900 which is before the tractor was made!

I'll have a bit more of a dig in my books to find the entry about the parade down the main street. When I find it I will post it here for you.

Greta to see the old girl getting loved again. As a kid I used to climb all over her and dream of getting her going again but it was never to be. Used to talk to my grandfather (Arthur's dad) about her a lot but in his mind she was meant to sit there for eternity. I will post some stories about why she was left when I have some more time.

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I'm so happy to see the twins resting comfortably, Glad to hear all the congestion and breathing problems have been nicely taken care of !!

Looking forward to seeing them firmly connected with their immediate family, ready to take on the in's and out's and round and round's of the high pressure world they will be such an important part of ,

Good Luck
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Hi Rob welcome aboard and we look forward to your input, the info i have got so far from Authur has been sketchy so with your help it mite spark some memories in the family , and as why that stopped using it but i think it being tight on the big end bearings may have been the problem
It was shame it had to sit there so long before it got the chance to run again but with his way of thinking has keep it in tact all these years.
the out lay for the farm to buy that tractor in 1912 must have been enormous and then not to use it.
progress is a bit slow but it is just my self doing it and enjoying it.
regards joe

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I'm so happy to see the twins resting comfortably, Glad to hear all the congestion and breathing problems have been nicely taken care of !!

Looking forward to seeing them firmly connected with their immediate family, ready to take on the in's and out's and round and round's of the high pressure world they will be such an important part of ,

Good Luck
"Godfather of the Twins"
Kevin
Hi Kevin all is good so far but i don't it will be long before they start hissing and farting but i feel i mite be getting to old to control them when they do,i am going to need help to get them going i think
joe
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Joe,

The story as I remember it. Remember I left Narrabri around 1970 so I heard these stories from Grandpa and his brothers before that. Anyway, here goes.

The steam tractor is news to me, I thought they were horse teams till the Titan came along, never heard about a steam tractor. You were all right the old fella nearly broke himself to buy this beast. Don't know where he got all the money from but know he had to sell horse teams as well which left him short of horses.

1912 was just before WWI. The Titan had a real problem with the open radiator. The dust used to turn the water to mud and the water used to evaporate so when they added cold water the heads cracked sometimes. There was a mechanic who could work on it BUT he was German. With the start of the war he was put in a camp so no one really had any knowledge when it broke down.

When it finally broke down and they could not get it going again (maybe where the bearings were put in backwards and why the ignitors, etc are missing) the old fella hooked up his remaining horses and pulled it off the paddock and there it sat for 100 years. He had to go back to using horses, remember he had sold a lot so he didn't really have enough for the job so he was now really behind.

Anyway, with lots of work they got back on their feet and by the time they had the money to fix the Titan it was a relic. I remember two LA Cases on the place so they would have been much better. I think they used horses up to the Cases.

The Titan was sort of blamed for the troubles "it caused" and was left.

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Another little story was about the efficiency, or lack thereof. Grandpa said you could find the tractor when it was working by just following the kerosene drums across the paddock. Reckon you would hear it first though

If I remember anything more I will post it later
Rob.
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Wow it's great to have the story of the tractor. It's so lucky the old man didn't scrap the tractor to get some money back so he could get his horses back. I can't wate to see it running on dday soon. Cam
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